I've sort-of already done a weak version of this once. Up in Alaska I and 5-6 other guys dug out a thing into hilltop/hillside with hand tools for a week. We were pickaxing through shale for half of it because it had to be in a certain spot overlooking a particular area. When done we put an overhead cover on it and a hole for one of these yukon stoves inside. The result was small as hell and a LOT of work went into it.

To anyone planning a shooting spree and an underground shelter in the middle of nowhere, I strongly suggest you rent a mini excavator and figure out a way to get it to and from the site unseen. You'll thank me later.

Meh, anyone that's been in the Army has dug foxholes with one of these:

^ Very familiar with the e-tool but not happening on the job I was talking about, permafrost and shale and not unlimited time.

Figure if you're going to plan things out ahead of time may as well bring real tools and do a shelter up right ahead of time too. I'd think that after a little murder spree you'd probably want to have your cozy little place already set up where you can stretch out, store stuff, comfortably work on your manifesto. Little wood burning stove goes a long way.

I'm as far from a survivalist as I could be, but wouldn't a burning stove give away your location with smoke and heat, if they are using some heat detection devices, that is?

yup, helicopters w thermal gear are gonna pick out the guy LOLLOLOL....please tell me you don't really believe that.(oops nevermind..it's not our guy..just another deer/etc x1000...)

You'd think one of those Bigfoot Hunters would have run into him by now.

Bobo!!! old school friend!!!

Jeez man, I honestly have no idea. Somewhat limited experience here using thermal equipment to find survivalist fugitives. What about you?

i just use my brain and think about it a little....lots of 'roughly' human sized animals out there for infa-red...then you think about man hours/helicopter costs etc...LOL. MOST likely he will be caught by other means.

--but hey maybe the cops are using unlimited resources24/7 to capture every fugitive....again lol.

They have had 1000 people searching for him at some points, I don't think man hours are much of a concern to the police here. Four helicopters with thermal imaging as well, so I guess it's the cops you should be directing your LOLs at here.

so what exactly are you saying?

my orig post was directed at the one saying they should bring out the 'thermal imaging'!!!

(hey--here's a thought--don't you think they already have?--seems like he should already be caught then....with all that fancy technology)

I don't see who suggested they bring out the thermal imaging. I asked whether the use of a stove might increase the chances of catching him through thermal imaging, which is something the police are already using. You seem to think that is a futile means of searching for him, that may or may not be true, I have no idea and I doubt you do either. Law enforcement seems to think it's a good idea, which is why they are doing it I imagine, but I'll be the first to acknowledge they do dumb stuff all the time.

Just read an piece where an "expert tracker" said he can't understand why none of the cops shown looking for this guy have "mud on their knees". He thinks they suck at tracking.

He also points out that it's hard to study the ground when you have to worry about a sniper taking you out from 300-500 yds away...

Sniper guy that's the subject of this thread doesn't have permafrost.

He should build a hidden bunker and off himself. He'll be a legend; 20 years from now they'll still be searching for him.

If the stove is under cover, airborne thermal imaging isn't going to see it. It's not like in the movies where it sees through 3 feet of concrete. Also, USGI BDU's or whatever they're called now, are treated to reduce infrared signature.

Something like that actually happened around here a couple years ago, except they found him...

North Bend murder suspect found dead in bunker

Better than going to jail thats for sure lol, he went out with a bang, i wonder how long he intended to live in his bunker for.

first ive heard of it

Could he be dead already? These sightings could be random people in PA running around with guns.

FWIW it took 5 years to find Eric Rudolph

Those Japanese soldier dudes survived in the wilderness for like 3 decades after WWII

Yeah, but nobody was looking for them.

My first thought as well, but cops say witnesses mentioned details that point to Frein.

There's one guy that walks through the area to work everyday, he's been stopped 20+ times by the police.

Other sightings seem more convinced that they've seen the Frein guy (carrying rifle, muddy) but who knows for sure. If he is hanging around that close by and popping his head up he'll probably get snagged breaking into a school cafeteria or someone's place for food. They found campsite like 3 miles from his house a while back IIRC.

Aerial thermal imaging cameras' line of sight can still be obscured, if there's enough cover in between that isn't being heated (so warmed tents will glow, treetop leaves 40 feet up won't). Even a cold blanket will do it for a person until the blanket heats up.

But answer your question yes the use of a stove or any heat source would make you easier to spot by that means. If he is hanging around that specific area he's going to have to do something for heat at some point. It's just one of many means they could spot him but I'm not sure why wet work thinks it's ridiculous. Spotting a person or campfire in some nearby area (that isn't typically a place were people camp) would definitely be worth looking out for.