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Naturally the girl has fault and has some blame in this entire affair. The things that young girls call sex and not ,plus their promiscuity at such an early age is amazing today. Clearly she wasn't a virgin and this wasn't the first time, still the crime against her is not warranted.
I like a old saying I heard years ago. You can't sleep with the dogs and not catch their fleas.

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01-05-2013 , 06:15 PM

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Well, yes, clearly going on the information the police department has provided, there won't be any evidence of a cover-up conspiracy.

one of the facts they've provided is that jane hanlin is not the prosecuting attorney in the case. so, i mean yea, it's a little harder to trust anon's reporting when they leave out details like that.

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01-05-2013 , 06:21 PM

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RJ,

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01-05-2013 , 06:25 PM

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Yeah, I mean, anon is not canon, calling the amateur journalist is a massive compliment. But I'd like to know what truth there is to Hanlin attempting to dissuade the girl from coming forth. Or any of the other stuff they've alleged. Apparently the town does have a long standing history of corruption and cronyism. Did adults involved with the school and/or local law enforcement provide the roofies? Is all the anon stuff just bs? If so, to what end?

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01-05-2013 , 06:29 PM

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RJ,

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01-05-2013 , 06:43 PM

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i could have something wrong but doesn't this "County Prosecuting Attorney delegates her authority to special prosecutors from the Ohio Attorney General’s Office" mean that she pretty much did remove herself from the situation?

reading through what the police posted, i think it's going to be a hugely uphill fight to show that there was any sort of greater conspiracy going on, nor do I think any of the evidence they uncovered would actually convict anyone of a rape charge outside of the 2 already charged.

Not if she's the one, according to the Anonymous report, who originally tried to pressure the victim and her parents NOT to file. That's so unethical it's ridiculous.

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LOL, obviously I meant "statutes". Not sure why I ****ed that up. I'll just stick with "laws" from now on.

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01-05-2013 , 06:48 PM

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Should have been, "I double dare you mother****er. Say statues one more got damn time!"

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01-05-2013 , 07:51 PM

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There's a part of me that wants "eye for an eye" justice for these football players since it would mean something would tangibly happen that might in the vaguest, most screwed up way be productive and right. Because the idea that any tangible progress will ever be made to fix a system where this mother becomes a district attorney, where these teenagers become witnesses who do nothing to stop it, and these boys grow up to be rapists, seems hopeless to me.

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01-05-2013 , 07:55 PM

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Surely there's a rule in place which states that a relative of the accused cannot be involved in the legal proceedings?

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01-05-2013 , 08:05 PM

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Not if she's the one, according to the Anonymous report, who originally tried to pressure the victim and her parents NOT to file. That's so unethical it's ridiculous.

true. reading over the localeaks thing again, they never actually say that she was the prosecuting attorney. just that she is a prosecuting attorney, and that she tried to discourage them from filing. but their evidence that happened is that they say it happened.

i dunno. after thinking over what they've posted for a bit, i'm doubtful anything much will come of it. but it looks like a proper investigation will be done now, so we'll see.

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01-05-2013 , 08:06 PM

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Surely there's a rule in place which states that a relative of the accused cannot be involved in the legal proceedings?

she was not involved in them, other than allegedly she was there at the court when the family went to file charges and she tried to threaten them into not filing them. she's also not the mother of the accused, she's the mother of a friend of the accused.

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01-05-2013 , 08:06 PM

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Surely there's a rule in place which states that a relative of the accused cannot be involved in the legal proceedings?

There has to be, the last time I got a speeding ticket the prosecutor for the district of cook county I was in was a friend and he had to step aside because of a conflict of interest and let his boss take over.

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01-05-2013 , 08:08 PM

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Glen Ridge all over again.

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01-05-2013 , 08:25 PM

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Approx 2000 people at Occupy Steubenville today. Nearly made me cry.

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01-05-2013 , 08:27 PM

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He has not been accused yet, but is known to be a member of the self proclaimed "rape crew". And if she did try to threaten them in any way certainly that would destroy her career.

I agree, however that a lot of what Anonymous has posted is without proof so far. But helping bring this story to more people and larger media attention may indirectly bring more info to light.

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01-05-2013 , 08:44 PM

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Them parents should've brought up their daughter properly and none of this would've happened. Clearly. I bet she even skipped a church a couple of times.

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01-05-2013 , 08:50 PM

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It doesn't matter if she was officially assigned to the case, if she was in the police station with the victim and her parents and told them she was a DA (and it seems obvious she did) and told them they shouldn't file, it's an ethical breech whether she was officially assigned to the case or not.

That DA (the mother of one of the boys in the "Rape Crew", although not one of the two charged) should not have been within 100 yards of any aspect of this case other than to immediately tell her office "I can't be involved with this, we'll have to get a special prosecutor in here". Anything other than that is an ethical violation.

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01-05-2013 , 08:56 PM

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i agree that what anon is doing is probably good overall. the case needed an outside investigation and this was the only way to get it. and many of those football players are terrible people, and attitudes of people surrounding this are backwards and terrible, and it's good to call attention to that too. but at the same time they're dragging lots of individual names through the mud based on virtually nothing. it's kind of a catch 22 for me.

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01-05-2013 , 08:57 PM

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"I can't be involved with this, we'll have to get a special prosecutor in here". Anything other than that is an ethical violation.

Emphasis on "special", I assume?

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01-05-2013 , 08:59 PM

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Emphasis on "special", I assume?

With this crew, probably.

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01-05-2013 , 09:52 PM

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The defense is reporting they have a text from the victim stating she was not raped. This seems to be their home run evidence. I am not an expert in law, are text messages admissible evidence? How can you prove who sent/wrote the text?

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01-05-2013 , 10:27 PM

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I hope that if the boys get off relatively lightly, that Anonymous can help destroy both the rapists and their enablers futures in some way

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01-05-2013 , 10:46 PM

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Texts are admissible and are treated no different than any other communcations (e.g. the standard rules of evidence regarding authentication apply).

The law on authentication of text messages is developing and differs by state. However, typically its enough to show that it was sent from the partiy's phone number and there is no indication the phone was being used by someone else. You could also show that around the same time, she was sending texts to other people from her phone.

Alternatively, they could just ask her if she sent it and unless she lies, that is authentication.

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01-05-2013 , 10:46 PM

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This town seems to be really corrupt, even moreso than in the Happy Valley sense. Open air drug markets (in that the police let things go), public knowledge of bookies running bars, mafia connections, etc.

Weird that it happens in a small town, but I guess when it was once a town of 35,000, now with ~15,000, the good people are moving out.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/ohio/...ille-area.html

When someone defends their city with "well, any town has its good and bad parts! we're no worse than ______", you know it's not a good place to move.