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01-05-2013 , 12:55 PM
So what actually happens now with making progress on this? Given the conflicts of interest and corruption charges can the FBI step in? I'm just wondering how you get past the fact that the local people with jurisdiction don't seem willing to move on any of this information.
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01-05-2013 , 12:56 PM
They only two people who have been charged were originally charged as adults with both rape and kidnapping, but for both defendants the kidnapping charges were dropped and the rape cases moved to juvenile court, so everyone wishing or hoping they will get life in prison are deluding themselves. Unless the cases are moved back to adult court, the juvenile system has much less severe penalties.

While this case is truly heinous and if even 75% of what Anonymous dug up is true there are other perpetrators and people involved in the cover up who should probably be charged, I think it's important not to let a mob mentality create more victims by basically just tarring and feathering the entire school/team. There's probably an atmosphere of anything goes wrt the team in that town, but that doesn't mean everyone on the team is a rapist. And the adults (coaches, teachers, parents, DISTRICT ATTORNEYS, etc.) are guilty as well, of setting up an entire system that allowed the team (and the specific ones who acted as a result) of feeling so outside the rules/law that they could do anything they wanted. I'd really hate to be just one of the average students in that school.

Finally, that mom posting about "I raised my kid right" makes me want to punch something. Yeah, the rape victim just wasn't raised right. It had nothing to do with her being slipped a drug and rendered unconscious. Holy **** some people.
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01-05-2013 , 12:59 PM
All,

This and the recent rape story from India are just so horrible.

And that guy in the video. Wow.
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01-05-2013 , 12:59 PM
Hit up a friend on Facebook who is a defense attorney this morning about this. He said he's been following closely and it appears in his limited info to be a really strong case for the defense and he thinks a lot of people will be disappointed with how it plays out in the courts.

On another note, head football coach planning resignation Monday
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01-05-2013 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by crispin1003
Its been pretty big news on CNN the last two nights. It's where I heard about it.
Still hasn't cracked top headline on any major news website. My guess is some outlets are waiting for more info.
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01-05-2013 , 01:02 PM
I first heard of this yesterday via a Joe Rogan retweet. Since I have been consumed by it. I need to step away from this for the rest of the day at least.

Few questions I would be thankful if answered though.

What or who decides if someone is tried as a minor or adult?

Why has the FBI not stepped in here, especially due to the possible cover up portions?

Moreover, shouldn't this case be removed to a federal court system in effort for a fair trial?
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01-05-2013 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NDfan
I first heard of this yesterday via a Joe Rogan retweet. Since I have been consumed by it. I need to step away from this for the rest of the day at least.

Few questions I would be thankful if answered though.

What or who decides if someone is tried as a minor or adult?

Why has the FBI not stepped in here, especially due to the possible cover up portions?

Moreover, shouldn't this case be removed to a federal court system in effort for a fair trial?
Statues are established to determine who can and can't be tried as an adult (or juvenile) and under what circumstances. Beyond that it's at the discretion of the DAs office primarily, I think.

FBI cannot just take over any case they want. The Feds have no jurisdiction unless a federal statute has been violated. A higher state authority would be more likely to step in here (IMO). Change of venue could occur, but not into the federal court system, but to another jurisdiction within the state for trial, so the jury pool is less tainted.
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01-05-2013 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by NDfan
I first heard of this yesterday via a Joe Rogan retweet. Since I have been consumed by it. I need to step away from this for the rest of the day at least.

Few questions I would be thankful if answered though.

What or who decides if someone is tried as a minor or adult?

Why has the FBI not stepped in here, especially due to the possible cover up portions?

Moreover, shouldn't this case be removed to a federal court system in effort for a fair trial?
Juvenile court judge would decide in first hearings

Imagine FBI is involved already to some degree and will be more publicly soon, but there are mandates they must follow

there's a lot of different trials that will be needed around this case. the primary rape case will prob be moved tho, yeah
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01-05-2013 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Statues are established to determine who can and can't be tried as an adult (or juvenile) and under what circumstances. Beyond that it's at the discretion of the DAs office primarily, I think.

FBI cannot just take over any case they want. The Feds have no jurisdiction unless a federal statute has been violated. A higher state authority would be more likely to step in here (IMO). Change of venue could occur, but not into the federal court system, but to another jurisdiction within the state for trial, so the jury pool is less tainted.
DA's office or judge?

Seems weird DA would hold this privilege over a judge
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01-05-2013 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NDfan
Moreover, shouldn't this case be removed to a federal court system in effort for a fair trial?
There has to be a federal crime for the case to be in federal court. I don't think there is one here.

For instance, in the Trayvon Martin case, a federal prosecutor only became involved to determine if there was a hate crime - which is a federal claim - as standard murder is not a federal crime.
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01-05-2013 , 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
DA's office or judge?

Seems weird DA would hold this privilege over a judge
Judge has no authority to tell the DA how and what to file as long as it's within the statues.

Like, if the statue says X CAN be tried as an adult, it's up to the DA to determine if they want to press charges in either adult or juvenile court.

I guess different states could operate differently but I'm pretty sure primary responsibility for this is with the prosecution, not the judge.
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01-05-2013 , 01:12 PM
This could be a movie.
Anonymous has a lot of dirt on the sheriff as well.
according to him , the Sheriff runs the bookie operations there and the sheriff's brother is the biggest cocaine importer
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01-05-2013 , 01:13 PM
Federal courts have statutes that can create special circumstances to move trials in special cases, right? Not that this couldn't be handled at state level
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01-05-2013 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Judge has no authority to tell the DA how and what to file as long as it's within the statues.

Like, if the statue says X CAN be tried as an adult, it's up to the DA to determine if they want to press charges in either adult or juvenile court.

I guess different states could operate differently but I'm pretty sure primary responsibility for this is with the prosecution, not the judge.
Found this

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...as_adults.html

5 years old though
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01-05-2013 , 01:15 PM
Regardless of who decides however, pretty clear the people involved here should be tried as adults
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01-05-2013 , 01:16 PM
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umm lets see because nobody here thinks its ok to gang-rape a girl?

are you ****ing ******ed? they raped a girl, they should be raped and see just how the victim feels. It'll teach those little cockroaches a lesson.
Not subscribing to the "eye for an eye" philosophy does not make one ******ed. And personally, I don't think we should so happily hand out violence just to satisfy the desire for vengeance.
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01-05-2013 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
Federal courts have statutes that can create special circumstances to move trials in special cases, right? Not that this couldn't be handled at state level
Yes, there are types of cases that become federal, like hate crimes or kidnappings that cross state lines. Off the top of my head I don't see anything here that would result in a move to the federal level, though. The feds taking over a state crime is relatively rare. They offer help with lab stuff and profiling or the investigation on request, but actually taking over the case? Really rare.

If there's a change of venue it will be within state, and will be because the judge determines a fair trial cannot be conducted locally because of the media coverage.
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01-05-2013 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Yes, there are types of cases that become federal, like hate crimes or kidnappings that cross state lines. Off the top of my head I don't see anything here that would result in a move to the federal level, though. The feds taking over a state crime is relatively rare. They offer help with lab stuff and profiling or the investigation on request, but actually taking over the case? Really rare.

If there's a change of venue it will be within state, and will be because the judge determines a fair trial cannot be conducted locally because of the media coverage.
Seems like most likely result
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01-05-2013 , 01:18 PM
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So basically the answer is: it depends on that state's laws.

Standard.
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01-05-2013 , 01:18 PM
I don't think I've ever in my life been more angry than when I was watching that video. Made it through not even half, had to get up and calm myself down
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01-05-2013 , 01:20 PM
https://twitter.com/KYAnonymous

that's the knightsec twitter. pretty good coverage there.
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01-05-2013 , 01:20 PM
They are protesting currently

http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupysteubenville
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01-05-2013 , 01:21 PM
I imagine this is all over the news Monday, when coach quits and (i hope) some arrests are made

Can't believe kid in video isn't in custody already

Is the video admissable? How was it retrieved? From a personal e-mail or something?
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01-05-2013 , 01:23 PM
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/occupysteubenville

Members of Anonymous at the protest
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01-05-2013 , 01:25 PM
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