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01-10-2013 , 02:31 AM
Assuming this twitter account is real, this guy is digging his grave in terms of public image, which is already horrible and it seems has forced him out of college.

https://twitter.com/MikeNodiNodi
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01-10-2013 , 02:53 AM
Given that the profile pic is from the video that was leaked I'd guess there's no chance it's a real account.
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01-10-2013 , 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Michaelson
Given that the profile pic is from the video that was leaked I'd guess there's no chance it's a real account.
Yeah, my bad. It isn't even the one that matches the anonymous leak. Need to head to bed. Whoever is running the fake twitter account is trying to make money off of it though. All links go through ads first.
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01-10-2013 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by euler217
Assuming this twitter account is real, this guy is digging his grave in terms of public image, which is already horrible and it seems has forced him out of college.

https://twitter.com/MikeNodiNodi
wow, this kid is sick
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01-10-2013 , 04:28 AM
theres no way that twitter account is really him
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01-10-2013 , 04:29 AM
like seriously what the **** is wrong with these people?
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01-10-2013 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by wahoo3
nothing.

of everyone, the guy whose e-mail was compromised is the only one who is pretty clearly totally innocent/uninvolved. they just decided to make his e-mail public because he runs a website for the team. then all they found was some porn and it didn't fit into their narrative of everyone involved being evil so they suggested it was of underage girls.
That sucks. It seriously dilutes their efforts. Boneheads!
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01-10-2013 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbreath
I don't think it is anywhere near the "general sentiment" of Steubenville residents, although there is a small vocal minority that feels this way. I can't say this in a non-cliche manner, but most people that live there are good, blue-collar, anti-raping people and are disgusted by everything that occurred. There were plenty of Steubenville residents participating in the rally held Saturday. Pizza was donated by local stores-most residents are on the right side of this.
I thought there only exists anti-raping people and monsters, didn't know that you need to emphasize that.

I'm i the only one who thinks that this guy is a sociopath?
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01-10-2013 , 04:41 AM
i couldnt even watch the video, i wouldnt be able to get through it. like someone earlier itt i feel like such a pussy but it really makes me super sad/angry to read about stuff like this. if everyone involved in this isnt punished appropriately i think i just give up
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01-10-2013 , 08:12 AM
What is weird is I never got into the fnl tv show. I loved the book. The events in Odessa actually took place near the time I was in high school so was very relevant.

To make me a bit of a hypocrite I did actually see Permian play in Texas Stadium once or twice during that era.

I know the series was highly regarded so I have always wanted to watch it but I found the movie a notch below the book and obviously the show goes way beyond the book given the span of the show.

Outside of the real issue of head trauma which would make me likely not to allow my kids play football I think it can be one of the best character building experiences for a young man. The problem is when you make these kids celebrities. I live right by south lake Carroll high school which has had a ridiculous success record over the years winning championships in Texas. This sits right in the middle of Dfw yet has this small town ownership and feel. The middle schools are running the same playbook a as the high school just so when the kids get to high school they know all the plays. They built a massive stadium a few years ago as well.

There are probably a dozen teams who could easily outdraw SMU every week and some even the modern era TCU.

So while it is a small town fever it can effect people in areas of all types. One would have to say Texas, California, Ohio and Pennsylvania are the top four high school football states. Although really Florida too but Florida has really exploded in thelast thirty years.

I am a huge football fan but I feel like we are on the tip of the spear with concussive head injuries. I got several concussions when I played and I continued to play with them. See how poorly that worked out for me.

I still do not understand the impulse to cover up serious crimes to protect any sports team. Undoubtedly kids in these small towns have literally gotten away with murder as the police and mayor and everyone else are vested in winning. This is one area where the Internet is changing things. It is much easier to shine lights in dark corners.

It does seem like they maybe overshot and over accused which sucks because clearly there is more than enough wrong doing here to make it massive. Piling on without actually evidence just potentially detracts and harms the real action that needs to be taken.
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01-10-2013 , 02:04 PM
I'm not from Steubenville, OH but the general area.

This was widely reported in the area at the time it happened. None of the information that is currently creating such a sensation is new. A lot of the current coverage is from national groups who are rereporting the information in a sensationalized fashion to sell papers/up their ratings/etc.

While I'm sure there is always someone with a ridiculous opinion, I haven't heard of a single person who thinks the behavior was anything short of deplorable and wants to see the perpetrators fully prosecuted.

Suggesting that the entire city is football crazy is an exaggeration. There are people who follow professional, college and/or local sports everywhere and it doesn't happen anymore so in Steubenville.

The general populous of the area screamed for these kids heads long ago.
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01-10-2013 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SOSHOT
The general populous of the area screamed for these kids heads long ago.
And yet, apparently, nothing much was done. Which is kind of the whole point of all this.
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01-10-2013 , 08:30 PM
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And yet, apparently, nothing much was done. Which is kind of the whole point of all this.
I'm not saying everything was handled perfectly or that I'm an expect on the subject, but we can't drag people into the streets and beat them to death.

Evidence collection and successful trails take time. These kids were being and will continue to be prosecuted.
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01-10-2013 , 09:23 PM
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Right for a professional team broadcast to the world.

i grew up in town near los angeles, i never once heard of teachers giving better grades to athletes or helping them get out of rape.
Better grades are fairly common if the teacher is a coach for any sport. Covering up for rape is a whole different thing.
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01-10-2013 , 11:35 PM
On a side note there football team wasn't even good this year.Looks like they are not even in a league so they can schedule almost all home games. Looks like they played 7 home games this year and didn't even have 1 good win. I mean they had out of state teams who were ranked like 1k+ in the nation. It is a legit soft schedule.
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01-11-2013 , 01:33 AM
Hit em where it hurts why don't you.
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01-11-2013 , 09:03 PM
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Better grades are fairly common if the teacher is a coach for any sport. Covering up for rape is a whole different thing.
"Fairly common?" I've been teaching and coaching in a public school system for over 10 years (granted, not Steubenville), and I've never heard of anyone doing this ever in my district. I would think, although I'm not a union expert, that this would be reasonable cause for dismissal if it was determined to be true. I will grant you that when I was a student at Steubenville there were some accusations, and I'm fairly certain it happened in one or two cases, but very far from "fairly common." My experience is that the athletes tend to do better when they are in-season to maintain eligibility, when their season ends they tend to not try as hard.
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01-11-2013 , 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbreath
"Fairly common?" I've been teaching and coaching in a public school system for over 10 years (granted, not Steubenville), and I've never heard of anyone doing this ever in my district. I would think, although I'm not a union expert, that this would be reasonable cause for dismissal if it was determined to be true. I will grant you that when I was a student at Steubenville there were some accusations, and I'm fairly certain it happened in one or two cases, but very far from "fairly common." My experience is that the athletes tend to do better when they are in-season to maintain eligibility, when their season ends they tend to not try as hard.
Grades being changed for athletes and teachers going easy on athletes is a very common occurrence, especially in urban schools. It could theoretically be grounds for dismissal, but at least in the case of my school, the principal is the one pushing for the grades to be better.
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01-11-2013 , 09:42 PM
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My experience is that the athletes tend to do better when they are in-season to maintain eligibility, when their season ends they tend to not try as hard.
So when they have the least time to study, what with all the football practise and games, they all suddenly get better grades?
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01-11-2013 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fishbreath
"Fairly common?" I've been teaching and coaching in a public school system for over 10 years (granted, not Steubenville), and I've never heard of anyone doing this ever in my district. I would think, although I'm not a union expert, that this would be reasonable cause for dismissal if it was determined to be true. I will grant you that when I was a student at Steubenville there were some accusations, and I'm fairly certain it happened in one or two cases, but very far from "fairly common." My experience is that the athletes tend to do better when they are in-season to maintain eligibility, when their season ends they tend to not try as hard.
Two ways I personally saw teachers (and my coaches who also taught) do it for the meat head players. Grade them easier, plain and simple, give them the grade they need to remain eligible no matter how terrible their papers were. Nobody is going to look at a C as suspicious.

Allow them extra time to turn in assignments, sometimes a week later (they are in season and busy was the excuse) which just so happened to be days after they returned the work to everyone else. The guys would just copy.
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01-11-2013 , 10:49 PM
Athletes never got better grades at my school, but we were awful at sports so who cares anyway.
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01-12-2013 , 12:53 AM
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Originally Posted by fishbreath
"Fairly common?" I've been teaching and coaching in a public school system for over 10 years (granted, not Steubenville), and I've never heard of anyone doing this ever in my district. I would think, although I'm not a union expert, that this would be reasonable cause for dismissal if it was determined to be true. I will grant you that when I was a student at Steubenville there were some accusations, and I'm fairly certain it happened in one or two cases, but very far from "fairly common." My experience is that the athletes tend to do better when they are in-season to maintain eligibility, when their season ends they tend to not try as hard.
You say you think that would be a reasonable cause for dismissal, yet you don't see a link between that statement and why you've never heard of anyone doing it in your district? Isn't that kind of one of those things where the fewer people that know, the better?
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01-12-2013 , 10:34 AM
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Two ways I personally saw teachers (and my coaches who also taught) do it for the meat head players. Grade them easier, plain and simple, give them the grade they need to remain eligible no matter how terrible their papers were. Nobody is going to look at a C as suspicious.

Allow them extra time to turn in assignments, sometimes a week later (they are in season and busy was the excuse) which just so happened to be days after they returned the work to everyone else. The guys would just copy.
Wow, maybe I'm just a naive dude, but I couldn't imagine me or any of my coworkers doing this.
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01-12-2013 , 11:02 AM
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Wow, maybe I'm just a naive dude, but I couldn't imagine me or any of my coworkers doing this.
Do you work at a school that values athletics?

I'm sure that there are many schools in the US where the adminstration and staff value academics more than they value athletics and I'd love to work in one of them. However, for most schools it is very well understood that athletes are supposed to be graded easier (especially in season), and you will be expected to give athletes multiple chances to improve their grades.

I'm dealing with this with a student right now, and it sucks....
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01-12-2013 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Wyrm1
Do you work at a school that values athletics?

I'm sure that there are many schools in the US where the adminstration and staff value academics more than they value athletics and I'd love to work in one of them. However, for most schools it is very well understood that athletes are supposed to be graded easier (especially in season), and you will be expected to give athletes multiple chances to improve their grades.

I'm dealing with this with a student right now, and it sucks....
Surely, you can see that it might be your school that has the skewed values and not most of the other schools in the nation. I'm sure it is a problem for you, but please don't project this on everyone else.

I was a teacher and administrator for thirty years both in America and overseas, in extremely high performing schools, and never (even once) faced pressure to raise an athlete's grade.

Last edited by tylertwo; 01-12-2013 at 11:43 AM. Reason: BTW - I was a football coach as well.
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