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07-02-2012, 04:10 PM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by WVUskinsfan
My girlfriend of a few months told me yesterday that she is diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder.
She didn't come out and say it, she showed me a letter from her sister and it was mentioned in there.
We have been doing well lately. Well, to give the full story she just got out of jail for shoplifting she was in for two months. And has been out for about 10 days now. She has a history of shoplifting. She also has a history of drug abuse. I knew about this, but didn't know she has the diagnosis of BPD, specifically Impulsive BPD. Which leads me to think that a relationship with her will be impossible. She is such a sweet girl, though.
I am kinda freaked and not sure what to do.
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I dated a girl that self-diagnosed as BPD; having read up on it myself and knowing her quite well I agreed that she fit all the criteria down to a T.
At the end of the day I wasn't patient enough to make it work, and I wasn't capable of looking after myself at that time, let alone looking after a relationship, but had circumstances been different it could have worked; she is now going out with a guy I know, for several years, and they seem very happy together. If you love her and she makes you happy, you should be able to make it work. You may have to make sacrifices and it may not always be perfect but that's life and love.
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07-02-2012, 04:23 PM
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#347
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Hey, hey, hey, don't be so judgemental about these things. There's probably some info missing.
WVU dude, could you describe the relationship when it wasn't "going well"?
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Yea, I know, but from what he's described it sounds like a ****ing nightmare. I once stopped seeing a girl because she "suggested" my hair was too long and that I should cut it, and that was the end of that. So I'm probably the crazy one, but still.
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07-02-2012, 04:54 PM
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#348
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by Holliday
WVU dude, could you describe the relationship when it wasn't "going well"?
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Well, she was getting high. We are both in recovery and I wanted her to give me her pills and her rig (heroin). She did. But then I learned that she gave me some other pills that looked like Xanax but it wasn't really the Xanax.
She had gotten kicked out of her halfway house for relapsing, failed a test for suboxone. Then she was staying with some other people and was asked to leave for wearing this girls clothes without asking.
Then she found a place to stay on Craiglist and she had a pretty sweet deal staying there imo. Then the guy who gave her a room mentioned to me that his grandma's percosets were missing. It was obvious she stole them.
Before they came up missing I saw her and knew she was high and I asked what she had taken she told me and I walked off cuz I was upset at her (we had plans to go out to eat) She ran after me and I told to to **** off. Then I told her a few hours later that she could come by and talk to me if she was sober, well she was still really high so I told her to leave and she was upset. It was like 11:30 pm by this point.
Then I get texts at like 1am saying that she is in trouble and scared. I didn't know what was going on but she said she was in a car with some guy who was grabbing her. I told her I would be at her house in 10 min and to have the guy take her by her house so I could confront him. I half expected this whole story to be made up. When I went to her house she wasn't there and so then I knew she was out somewhere. She said that this guy dropped her off and then went to get heroin. She told me that he was trying to get her to do some heroin with him and then mess around. She told me that he was grabbing her saying things like "**** your boyfriend." She was crying and I asked her why she didn't have him drop her off at the house. She said that he had to leave the other way or something. I then told her to tell me what happened and said she should report this to the police. I was suspicious of her story, but then she did file a report and now there is a court date set and this guy is charged with misdemeanor sex assault. The guy received a summons and was released on his own recognizance.
His side of the story is, of course, that she was the one coming on to him and begging him to get dope and that she would blow him for some. It makes me pretty sick to think of her doing this, and we were in a fight that night. So, the fact is that she may or may not have filed a false police report against this person. If it comes out that she did, I hope she gets a charge for this. Anyway, I don't think anything will happen and this was before she had her shoplifting charge and now I think she doesn't want to go through with any of this.
Another thing, one time I was playing in a 20k gtd and I had to leave and wanted her to play for me for about 30min. I told her to fold everything and open shove 10s and AK. Well, she didn't do that according to HEM. Whatever, I wasn't mad about that. I was mad that I came home and saw that she had registered and was playing in another MTT. I was like WTF??? Why would you do that?
Also, she is a very attractive women 24 years old and I am 28 (just fyi). Before we were really together and just talking really and had hooked up, she was basically sexting this guy. I don't know if anything happened with them. I also saw this other guy was texting her and wanting to send pics of his dick to her. She did show me the text and I told her that I didn't want her to hangout with him. She then texts back "my boyfriend doesn't want me to hangout with you." When she showed me that I was like "Really?! WTF Anna?" I also heard from people that she said she kinda liked this guy and did want to hangout with him.
Now, all of this stuff happened in the period of about three weeks and she was on drugs the whole time. Now that she is off them and had jail for two months she seems a lot better and the past two weeks with her have been really good.
I just wonder how much longer this can really last.
Now that you all know a lil more, I pretty much know what kind of responses to read...
Also, she has had long term relationships in the past. To my knowledge, she isn't a big slut as she was with one guy for two years and her only other boyfriend before me was for 9 months. She comes from a very good family and I know of no trauma in her past.
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07-02-2012, 05:00 PM
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#349
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: On Sociopaths
She is very sweet and other than her stealing and lying she is great. She is funny, smart, and pretty. She cooks for me all the time and I generally feel really comfortable around her. Like if she could cut that **** out, she would be great.
When I read that letter from her sister that mentioned she has BPD, my heart sank and I got a hot flash. Not that I didn't suspect she maybe had a personality disorder of some sort, but I actually went to far to ask and she told me that she was just diagnosed with anxiety and depression and that docs told her that she is impulsive.
Also, with the shoplifting, it was a lot. She was at the mall going from store to store stealing clothes and perfume. She racked up few thousand in merchandise. Grand Larceny charge. I was shocked and was pretty much making fun of her for thinking she could take so much and not think she would get caught.
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07-02-2012, 05:06 PM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: On Sociopaths
So, basically to answer the original quote above, it was basically me being mad at her.
Oh, she has had suicide attempts in the past (two). She isn't a cutter or anything. I actually reached out to her sister and her sister said this.
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Anna is an enigma. She does have a big heart, and I know that she's fun to be around when things are going well. She also trips herself up a lot due to her impulsive nature. I blame most of her shoplifting and drug use on BPD.
BUT. It is totally treatable. I know she is committed to staying out of jail and staying clean, and hopefully she'll get an opportunity to see a therapist to help her stay that way.
THe point is, don't freak out. Anna is a sweetheart and I totally understand why you care for her.
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Anna's particular form of BPD does not make her prone to violent outbursts or grandiose attention seeking behaviors. What she tends to do is self-sabotage, either by drug use, shoplifting, or by attempting to physically harm herself. And she only attempts physical harm after she's backed into a corner after, for example, losing her housing, being busted by cops, testing positive on drug tests... never after relationship issues. So if you're afraid that you might cause Anna to attempt again, you probably wont. To my knowledge, Anna has never harmed herself because of a boyfriend, only because of things she's done.
And about her hiding it - I think she's fairly ashamed of herself. I mean, battling a mental disorder and drug addiction are fairly stigmatized in our culture. She was probably afraid that if you found everything out that you might reject her.
As far as your fears, go by what you know about her. Is she fun? Does she make you happy? Are you both committed to staying clean together? And then take it day by day.
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07-02-2012, 05:15 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
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Re: On Sociopaths
And yes, she does make me happy. Of course, not when she lies and steals though.
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07-02-2012, 05:15 PM
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#352
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Re: On Sociopaths
That makes me very sad. People like that will tend to lose friends very easily; imo the best thing you could do would be to stick by her no matter what, if she means something to you, whether as friends or dating. Seems like she is at a crucial point in her life and she could end up just another meth-head on the drainage ditches in vegas or she could be a happy, productive person, and you could make the difference.
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07-02-2012, 05:45 PM
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#353
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Well thanks for sharing WVUskins. You deserve a serious answer, and while I myself are not really capable of providing one ATM, I do hope you get several that are helpful in some way.
And maybe forgive her for regging in another MTT.
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07-02-2012, 11:18 PM
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#354
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Northern Virginia
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Re: On Sociopaths
I asked her about BPD today and she said that she never has received a diagnosis of this, but rather her sister diagnosed her with it and her sister is not a Pdoc, just a 25 year old with a master's degree in history. I don't know what the truth is.
So then I was wondering why she showed me that and then didn't say anything. She said she was wondering why I didn't say anything about it. I told her that I thought it was weird she would show me that and not say anything and she said I thought it was weird you didn't say anything and so she thought I didn't really read it or I just didn't care.
BTW, the letter is going to her lawyer for the charges and Anna (my gf) said that she is going to let that letter go to him because she feels that blaming a mental disorder might go over better in court. She is trying to beat a felony.
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07-03-2012, 05:06 AM
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banned
Join Date: May 2011
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Re: On Sociopaths
came across ganstaman's posts in theory-forum (plain stupid) and "handshake phobia" in OOT, where he quoted an other guy to simply say "i said that first" in a 50 post thread.
psychiatrist, ya, sure....
then i looked up his profile and the threads he made....
now i feel like a retard getting leveld/ taking him for real in here.
never gonna talk anything private again on an internet forum.
its like wearing a rolex and walking through a crack-house, lol.
in poker-lingo: hard to take advice from "first-level-thinkers"
Last edited by HU4holes; 07-03-2012 at 05:20 AM.
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07-03-2012, 08:04 AM
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#356
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ɔarpal \ʇunnel
Join Date: Mar 2009
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Re: On Sociopaths
Your avatar is cool. I use to play checkers in junior high with this kid, Jeff, and he would always check mate me in 2 moves. if you know what I mean. Nohomo. He works the flanges down in the pits now for newspapers.
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07-03-2012, 09:17 AM
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#357
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Jan 2008
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Originally Posted by HU4holes
came across ganstaman's posts in theory-forum (plain stupid) and "handshake phobia" in OOT, where he quoted an other guy to simply say "i said that first" in a 50 post thread.
psychiatrist, ya, sure....
then i looked up his profile and the threads he made....
now i feel like a retard getting leveld/ taking him for real in here.
never gonna talk anything private again on an internet forum.
its like wearing a rolex and walking through a crack-house, lol.
in poker-lingo: hard to take advice from "first-level-thinkers"
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If he leveled you, then he's not a first level thinker. DUCY?
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07-03-2012, 10:06 AM
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#358
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Worships space elves
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by WVUskinsfan
I asked her about BPD today and she said that she never has received a diagnosis of this, but rather her sister diagnosed her with it and her sister is not a Pdoc, just a 25 year old with a master's degree in history. I don't know what the truth is.
So then I was wondering why she showed me that and then didn't say anything. She said she was wondering why I didn't say anything about it. I told her that I thought it was weird she would show me that and not say anything and she said I thought it was weird you didn't say anything and so she thought I didn't really read it or I just didn't care.
BTW, the letter is going to her lawyer for the charges and Anna (my gf) said that she is going to let that letter go to him because she feels that blaming a mental disorder might go over better in court. She is trying to beat a felony.
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Diagnosed by a historian.
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07-03-2012, 10:25 AM
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Pooh-Bah
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Diagnosed by a historian. 
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I don't know. She may or may not have something. She certainly has some impulsive issues and I wonder if she may be a klepto, since she has shoplifted repeatedly and gotten in trouble with the law because of it more than once.
But, I really don't see the whole splitting thing a lot. Like she doesn't love me one minute and then really hate me the next. She never flings out insults at me or tries to rip me apart. Nor does she really do that to a lot of other people.
But, I dunno. She does behave somewhat childish at times and can get mad easily.
She may have this to a degree, but I don't think that she has it that bad. Really, I don't know.
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07-03-2012, 10:45 AM
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Worships space elves
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Re: On Sociopaths
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Originally Posted by WVUskinsfan
I don't know. She may or may not have something. She certainly has some impulsive issues and I wonder if she may be a klepto, since she has shoplifted repeatedly and gotten in trouble with the law because of it more than once.
But, I really don't see the whole splitting thing a lot. Like she doesn't love me one minute and then really hate me the next. She never flings out insults at me or tries to rip me apart. Nor does she really do that to a lot of other people.
But, I dunno. She does behave somewhat childish at times and can get mad easily.
She may have this to a degree, but I don't think that she has it that bad. Really, I don't know.
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Obviously, I don't know either.
And her sister clearly knows things about her that even she probably doesn't know (blind spots and all).
However, it's incredibly easy to read some stuff online and then be able to find reasons someone fit that diagnosis. It seems clear she might have issues of some kind, but if she's not normally "triggered" by interpersonal slights, then it doesn't really sound like BPD. This is a disorder characterized by significant interpersonal difficulties.
Long story short, I wouldn't trust any diagnosis that didn't come from a trained therapist. Understand that if she's got issues of some kind, it increases the likelihood of a turbulent relationship. Try to make sure you are healthy yourself and evaluate as you go.
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