Your questions are in a funny order so if I may, I'll answer them this way.

- Is the trend 'bad'?

Depends what you mean by 'trend' or 'bad'. If you're asking me whether I think that the emancipation of women, or indeed the fact that they're sexually or economically independent is 'bad', then of course not.

- What should happen to change this 'trend'?

Really do need a definition of 'trend' here, but I honestly don't know. I'd veer towards 'no' as I obviously don't want to intercede people's free choices. Nevertheless, that's completely compatible with being able to have sympathy and empathy for men who struggle to find sex and relationships.

- If things continue what'll happen?

Very interesting question but it obviously depends on how far its going to go insofar as how many men are going to be dissatisfied with their sex/love lives and to what extent. As such, I don't really know, certainly you'll see a booming sex toy industry! Either way, discussing and speculating about it is interesting.

But I'm not at the top end of the spectrum. I've definitely had more sexual experience than an average guy my age, but I'm not significantly above average in any category that you asked me about. Anyone who's relatively washed and not 100% socially inept can be successful with women. And not putting full faith in every bit of manosphere bs you read is step one

I suppose this is unusual but I'm a man and I no longer have any sexual interest in women. My theory is that it's due to my long-term depression. However I still think women are great and prefer the company of women over men. I just came back from the supermarket and chatted up three different women in about 15 minutes. Mostly about the weather. So I'm not a misogynist but it appears many of these men linked with the Sexodus are misogynistic.

The problem with the articles linked is the angry, eff-you attitude that these men seem to have. "Women have treated me badly so I'm cutting them all off". Boo-hoo! Maybe they need to look within themselves and figure out what women want, and try to be more attractive to them.

It might also help to have a good self-image (I do, even though I am depressed most of the time) and not be so clingy and creepy. Women seem to be intrigued by men who have an indifferent attitude, at least in my experience. I guess it is natural to want that which one cannot have. Here's a link which touches on this subject:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGmQ...6vD02aRA_q-IVX

I can't help but wonder what would happen if ALL men adopted this attitude overnight? Many young, attractive women need attention like they need oxygen. What would happen if they posted on Facebook or Twitter or whatever and got no responses from men? For an entire day?? How many of them would kill themselves? There are too many desperate men out there for that to happen but it's interesting to think about.

This.

Meh, even if you're trolling and straw-manning, the idea that it simply isn't as big an issue as the article makes out is a fair opinion and it does constitute a perfectly reasonable point of view.

A lot of people arguing the converse would direct your attention to the correlation between falling marriages/divorce rates/fatherless households and crime, but personally however, I am, as has been pointed out, struggling to see what you're supposed to *do* about that exactly. I mean, chain women to hearth and home again? Obviously not. So in that sense I think we probably agree.

But aside from all of that, there's still the reasonable observation of pointing out that 20% of men in China not having the opportunity to get married in their lifetimes is, y'know, kinda sad innit?

Its a shame, and I don't think there's a lot with sympathising with them or indeed that sympathy necessarily entails bitterness towards women as a species (although I do realise that yes, of course there'll be a fair few people doing the latter as a result of the former).

Think we're going to simply have to agree to differ on this point.

I can't disprove the rest of your post but I'll admit I'm sceptical about you being average in looks/money/status/popularity.

I think your objectivity is a little clouded by your obvious desire to present your success with women as a 'learned skill' rather than anything close to the accident of your genetics.

I mean, I personally don't think I'm qualified to argue either for or against you and indeed, you might well be right! Perhaps it is all a skill that most anyone could potentially master! but nevertheless, from your posts its very obvious that this is the conclusion you want to arrive at.

Certainly, if you were willing to have such a discussion, I'd love to meet you in real life and hear what you have to say. I must say I've never known anyone as sexually successful as you say you are who wasn't very good looking, wealthy or popular/respected.

Crime rates have been falling since the 70s, tho

Do you think the reason that these numbers exist in China is an issue in and of itself?

But nevertheless, the biggest factor in determining a potential criminal is still growing up in a fatherless household.

Admittedly correlation doesn't always imply causation but it does furtively wiggle its eyebrows and gesture 'over there', to paraphrase an XKCD cartoon!

I think wutang describes himself quite accurately, at least as far as I can tell from his posts in the online dating thread. He has obviously worked to get be where he is wrt to women and relationships. He made a conscious decision to not go the route of: parent's basement suite; only porn for sex; only videos for entertainment; and finally, a loser disillusionment whining attitude.

You should probably check out the online dating thread, read it all the way through, and see how some guys actively deal with the reality of society's current structure, attitudes, etc.

You might learn something useful instead of just pathetically buying in to all the BS you are spouting/supporting.

Average amount of women shagged by average bloke is somewhere around ~10 If I recall the last study that got traction properly.

Depends what you mean by an 'issue'.

I mean, its surely a bit of a shame, right? One would assume that near enough no-one wants to not have the opportunity to find love and get married, so whilst there are obviously more pressing incidences of suffering in the world I can't see anything wrong with just simply having some sympathy for the poor chaps.

If however you mean "do I think its an issue that'll have a wider effect on society" I honestly don't know, but it'll be very interesting to find out, especially as China gives us such a massive sample size.

I mean, there's no doubt that in Japan, the fact that they've got a marriage rate below 50% is pretty darn unprecedented in human history and certainly makes for an interesting case study. I think with China, although the scenarios are of course different, it'll be equally as different although of course, unique in its own right.

Certainly I do believe I read (and I heard this from a friend of mine who lived in China for the past 18 months), that the problem has merited a fair bit of attention from the government who are genuinely quite concerned about the idea that this little lot would form a 'subculture' of bitter and twisted, misogynistic, resentful people.

After all, like I said from the start, even though the 'rejects' are unjustified in blaming women for their misfortune, and even though you'd imagine that a reasonable proportion of such 'rejects' would be fair enough to understand that it isn't women's 'fault', its pretty inevitable that there'll be a fair old backlash from enough of them for it to merit at least some concern.

I mean, that's kind of all I'm saying really with regard to this article focusing on the West. For better or for worse, rightly or wrongly, justifiably or unjustifiably, there really do appear to be a lot of men who feel this way. Like, really quite a lot.

Its interesting.

I'm not buying into any of it and nor have I posted anything even pertaining to support it. All I'm doing is pointing out that there's a large enough group of people who are buying into it, giving you the reasons why they do so, and that its certainly an interesting social phenomenon.

If people posting on here were all in full agreement with the article I'd be interested to spark a debate by making the point that 'well, surely we can't seriously argue in favour of shackling women to the kitchen sink once again?' 'Surely we have to admit that more unfortunate men going without sex is just a necessary and relatively minute price to pay for the economic and sexual emancipation of women?'

These are all interesting questions.

What's interesting however is that you yourself are angry with me even raising them regardless of the fact that I haven't given an opinion.

You dislike the fact that I'm drawing attention to the article and it frustrates you to see it be as widespread as it is. You immediately, hot-headedly insisted that most people who shared the article only did so to laugh at it before then saying words to the effect of 'well whatever! half a million losers isn't even a big number anyway!'

Forgive me if I can't help but be curious at that mentality, because, whilst I can't be sure, I genuinely think that were I in wutang's position, I'd still be sympathetic towards, and interested in, the fact that just so many people were (I say again, rightly or wrongly) in agreement with what is obviously, a pretty extreme article.

Hrm, trouble with the old mean average of course is that the odd 'stud' can yank up the average of a load of 'losers', a lot like average salaries.

and to be honest...that's kind of what the likes of this article are claiming.

Nah, 99's not mad; he's just lol-ing at MRAs and the manosphere, as he should

Do yourself a favor and don't couch your language this way.

Which means you think it's an issue.
Alright I'll cut to the chase and try to use language as plain as possible so you can't come back with "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is".

One) the reason there is such a disparity in the number of men vs women in China is directly related to the cap on children allowed per household as well as China's inherent misogyny. Look up the numbers on female infantcide in China for further proof. So when I refer to why the issue of there being more men in China than women exists, I'm referring to this. Ya dig?

That you also cite Japan is interesting. Admittedly, I do not know a significant amount about Japanese culture beyond the Gawker article linked above. That article made it sound as though the issues are not solely related to gender issues, but rather a culutre that makes it difficult for couples - women who have children lose their ability to profitably work, men would rather live at home than have to attempt to be breadwinners, and duel incomes are increasingly necessary for survival coupled with the traditionalism of marriage being seen as a venture for having a family... well, yeah.

And in your opinion, where does this concern lead? Talking about it on the internet with as much cloak and dagger language as possible?
Interesting how? why? Because you relate? Because you've spent enough time in the misogynistic subculture of MRAs and PUAs to understand the language of "incel" and "cock carousel"?

Don't agree that it's quite as interesting as you think.

Now THIS is interesting... and informative: http://arianeb.com/dateariane/default.htm

No, those are all sincerely stupid questions devoid of any interest.

Well no I'm afraid he's not.

He's initially saying that they're in a much a smaller number than the article suggests exist and then expressing his fury that once he had a closer look, his initial claim wasn't true. I observe that they're in a significant number and as such, its quite interesting and he's angry that I so much as point that out and say 'hey look over there guys'.

This reminds me a great deal of the 'Ask me anything about Hitler' thread, where the OP's expression of interest in Hitler was taken to entail admiration.

Of course, the OP couldn't do anything to disprove such an accusation, but it was a bit of a pointless derail.

If you think I'm secretly supporting the MRA point of view by proxy, or that my interest in a kind of 'antifeminist' movement necessarily entails sympathy towards it, then I simply can't do anything about that.

However, wouldn't the conversation be more interesting if you took me at my word? You could point out where the holes in the article are, and for any observer on the fence, persuade them to your point of view.

To be honest I was hoping to take a step back and read the debate, but people are angry that I'm merely holding the debate.

The word 'is' of course has no other definition, the word 'issue' is a complete umbrella term. Its complete reasonable to ask for specificity and I'm afraid, anyone watching will be able to quickly identify this as a straw-man.

As far as I'm aware it certainly seems this way.

Dude. I can't disprove any of this. I merely used those phrases in a post prefaced by "this-is-what-the-MRAs-PUAs-NWAs-and-whoever-say:"

Yes, I've heard of them. I've heard of their lingo as, evidently, have you.

As such, you'll be aware that its a movement that's seeped across to most areas of the internet, which supports my original point that the movement is as widespread as it is and (rightly or wrongly, justifiably or unjustifiably) IS an interesting one.

I mean; if a similar article, equally extreme with regard to race, rather than sex, was as widely viewed and shared as this one. If there was the rise of a right-wing, fascist group or political party, surely pointing them out and saying "wow, a whole lot of people in a traditionally, relatively egalitarian, progressive society feel the way they do is an interesting phenomenon?" wouldn't entail that you agreed with them would it?

Well they're rhetorical questions Merlin, they're interesting in the sense that it would be interesting to see what response they generated from the likes of people commenting on the article.

Obviously.

Then read the comments on the article?

Well there aren't a great many playing the other side that aren't getting whacked by downvotes. You can only search with 'best', 'new' and 'old' and as such, finding an eloquent and logical riposte to the article is difficult, which is why I was curious as to how the likes of successful guys like Henry17 or wutang or whoever would respond.

Trouble is everyone's shooting the messenger in the most prototypical manner of that phrase.

Like I say, I can't disprove the idea that I'm some kind of closeted sympathiser, but wouldn't it be to your benefit if you took me at my word, and obliterated the claims of the article with logical explanations in order to persuade people to your point of view?

Hand on heart, that was genuinely what I was hoping to hear.

Naturally I'd be playing the role of a television interviewer, representing the other side and asking you the questions against your position in order to give your arguments a clear opportunity to y'know, 'whack-'em'down', so I can understand why it might come across that way, but please, do take me at my word.

You can be sent to jail for ordering a paternity test in France? What the ****.