what if the dog was a trained dog fighter/killer? Aggression is a huge factor in fighting and if it went right for the throat....

But yeah i still think, if backed into a corner, its all wolf baby

i dunno, wolves are wild animals that are used to fights for survival as part of everyday life. i can't help but feel it wouldn't have a problem with preventing a much smaller, weaker dog from getting that all-important throat clamp going on.

could be wrong though.

i had a friend from SA and he had to take a baseball bat to his rhodesian ridgeback's skull just to get it to release next door neighbour's pit bull whose head it literally had jammed in its mouth with the next door neighbour going apesh*t threatening to get his gun etc. pretty crazy this guy is a big strong mofo and after a few blasts to the head with a full-weight bat the ridgeback just put the pit down and wandered off indoors perfectly fine.

wolves are meaner than ridgebacks.

As far as other carnivores, maybe a polar bear beats the grizzly.

Also elephant>rhino>hippo>grizzly

well in every movie I've ever watched the domestic dog always beats the wolf....

Lassie, benji, rintintin...all kicked wolf ass so obviously its the pitbull ftw.

While it's true that lots of breeds of dogs have been bred for fighting/hunting over the last few hundred years, dogs in general are just wolves that were selectively bred to be docile.

totally, their genes have been way watered down by us p*ssy humans. fighting dogs or no, a true blue wolf is full-blown ferocity on a level that no man-bred dog still has flowing through it's blood.

dude, you seem to think wolves are just full on rage or something.


I knew a guy that had two as pets and they were scared as hell of everything.

I really don't see how this matters, just like the wolverine attacking a moose. What threats does a bison pose to a wolf besides weight. It isn't like the wolf is going toe to toe with it waiting for it to charge. It probably has a similar technique to a tiger/lion attacking water buffalo.

Pretty sure I can choke out a guy who is stronger and outweighs by a good amount if he can't use his hands/arms and I take his back, which is what a wolf would try to do vs a bison. All I would have to do is hold on as he tries to buck me off, then try to get his back again as he gets winded. Would that help knowing whether I could win against someone my height and weight who is better trained at fighting, no.

Pitbull vs Wolf will always be a closer fight than a Wolf vs Bison.

I think u should look into getting this shirt.

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yes, because a lone wolf has virtually no chance of taking out an adult bison, while the pitbull does have a chance vs the wolf.

wolves can only kill bison by harassing them until a baby or feeble adult gets exhausted. they can't take one on in a fight a la big cat style.

did you ever try to throttle one?

siegfried and roy's tiger was pretty cosy til it decided to have a little fun with roy's neck one day.

these are wild animals untempered by human breeding efforts, any timidity they display in their daily lives is a matter of survival behaviour for whatever reasons, they can still tear things up pretty nice when the occassion demands.

i actually want to see a pit bull getting shat on by a wolf now. preferrably with his moronic tattoo'd owner on the sidelines with a vague look of befuddlement on his face. would be pretty funny.

who started this thread?

can't believe i didn't post this sooner, the wolf has a much badder theme song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xV1yUVeA_Fw

lol @ these threads. my god

You are right. My point about a wolf attacking a Bison was to underscore the day-to-day survival part. In most wolf-bison confrontations the wolf will not succeed, but will not lose either.

It's fine that a pit-bull will be a tougher match for a wolf than a Bison, but a dead pit-bull is still a dead pit-bull.

I live in the sub-arctic forest area of northern Canada and spend a fair amount of time in the bush, it just seems funny to see some people (not you) from San Fancisco or somewhere swearing up and down that a pit bull is a trained fight an will kill a wolf. I think people should at least have studied wolves or seen one kill prey in the wild before getting too excited about what it can or can't do.

If asked before reading this post how big they get, I would have said 40lbs. The lion king has taught me wrong.

I think popular culture has blown them out of proportion. I can think of a few other breeds I'd much rather own for protection, much less fight a wolf.

giraffe wins

pretty awful example the grizzly didnt even fight back

ridgebacks are/were used for hunting Lions.

How sick is that?

Let's discuss.

I'm going to cite Skinner vs Oklahoma on this one

saltcracka - ridgebacks are badboy dogs, no doubt, but they never actually "hunted" lions, they were used to track and round the lions for humans to shoot. a lion would no doubt rip a whole bunch of ridgebacks into pieces without even trying.

cborders - you're talking about an entirely seperate thing there. of course a dog such as a german shepherd or a doberman will make an infinitely better guard dog than a wolf, but that was not what this thread was about. a wolf would rip either of those dogs to pieces in a fight, it just wouldn't be any good at patrolling your drug mansion, walking your kids to school etc.

nobody is denying that wolves are complex social creatures, not slobbering hell-hounds. point is they'd still own any domestic dog breed in a fight.

they can run ~20mph over short distances, for reference Usain Bolt got up to 30mph and only maintained that for like 20meters

so they'll easily outrun a human

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cborders -

you're talking about an entirely seperate thing there. of course a dog such as a german shepherd or a doberman will make an infinitely better guard dog than a wolf, but that was not what this thread was about. a wolf would rip either of those dogs to pieces in a fight, it just wouldn't be any good at patrolling your drug mansion, walking your kids to school etc.

nobody is denying that wolves are complex social creatures, not slobbering hell-hounds. point is they'd still own any domestic dog breed in a fight.[/QUOTE]

pretty sure he's talking about the dog bro