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Our generation's despicable actions? Our generation's despicable actions?

04-21-2015 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
No, but I think that children growing up with smartphones, like having their own apps with 18 months on mum's phone... I think their development will suffer in many ways by this, but I am neither educated enough about this, nor have the rhetoric skills in english to properly explain all disadvantages I already see there, shooting from the hip (or just too lazy atm), which are likely just a fraction of all disadvantages this demographic change will actually have.

One example:
"Need-delay" (Bedürfnisaufschub; german)
Children who are able to sit in front of a lolly without eating it, because they know they will get 2 lollies, as soon as the adult comes back into the room (patience test), do have more success in life than those kids who just directly ate the first lolly, once the adult left the room.
Internet is the manifestation of impatience, because it is what it is.

When I am not too tired on Thursday evening, I might get back at this, put in some work, and write something more lean and coherent
Since you are referring to my post in another thread about my granddaughter, i I'll address this. Some kids get parked in front of their gameboys much the same as some of us sat in front oft tv's, and I agree that is not healthy.

I'm not describing that situation here. I was explaining that, at 18 months, she s beginning to interact with the latest technology. It's amazing to me.

My dad is 89. Full mental faculties. She brings the kindle to him, and says, "Pop pop, cat". He has absolutely no clue how to find what she wants. She shows him. He quit learning after the advent of VCR's.

My point was, kids are like sponges, and parents have a bigger job than ever keeping up with them these days. I don't see how kids suffer from knowledge.
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04-21-2015 , 08:52 PM
It's all just about the how much, ofc.
When I was younger, we had nintendos, and some got time-limits from their parents, so that they don't play all the time, frying their brain with funny nonsense.
But now,... do you think she will be able to get your granddaughter (iirc) off her phone for many hours, once she got really used to it, which will ofc be very early?

That's my only point with this, that there is no parental control, and too much of anything is bad for kids and young teens, and since they can't always make the best choice for them naturally, these smartphones for infants will likely do more bad than good, on average in the mid and longterm, imo.
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…but surely something must lie behind not just Muzak in dull or tedious places any more but now also actual TV in waiting rooms, supermarkets’ checkouts, airport gates, SUVs’ backseats. Walkman, iPods, BlackBerries, cell phones that attach to your head. This terror of silence with nothing diverting to do. I can’t think anyone really believes that today’s so-called ‘information society’ is just about information. Everyone knows it’s about something else, way down.

Last edited by TooRareToDie; 04-21-2015 at 09:10 PM.
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04-21-2015 , 09:21 PM
Do you mean that Big Brother is not just watching, he is now posting on Facebook?
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04-21-2015 , 09:24 PM
I have literally no clue how what you mean, but I would tend to say yes.

BB is Facebook, except that the sheeple don't get paid!



Last edited by TooRareToDie; 04-21-2015 at 09:37 PM.
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04-22-2015 , 12:19 AM
Rwanda & Darfur.

The reversal of the mid-20th century trend toward greater income and wealth equalization.

The decline of meaningful participation in democracy.

Failure to act on climate change.
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04-22-2015 , 12:25 AM
walmart
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04-22-2015 , 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
- Creating hyper-unemployment by replacing most human workers with machines.
People said the same thing when the tractor was invented.
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04-22-2015 , 12:31 AM
Yeah well dumb people can still drive tractors. When robots can do 90% of the jobs dumb people currently do - things are going to get interesting. They'll probably have to make up work for people.
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04-22-2015 , 12:34 AM
Animal agriculture
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04-22-2015 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
Based on what I saw at one elementary school (Just K-1st filled up two 55 gallon trash cans with uneaten food in one lunch) - every school in LA could be throwing away a small dumpster full of food every day. While people go hungry elsewhere in the US and starve around the globe.
It's pretty sad that there are people who literally starve to death and don't have clean water to drink. The "poor" people in 1st world countries are actually doing pretty well in comparison to many people in the 3rd world. We're supposed to feel bad for a "poor" person because they don't make $15 an hour... meanwhile, there are actual poor people who starve to death or work as modern day slaves for $2 a day.

I've also heard some estimates that the cost to provide food and water to everyone on earth isn't even all that much, especially in comparison to the world's military budget.
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04-22-2015 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by amazinmets73
Animal agriculture
I think everyone could get behind simply enforcing animal cruelty laws. We could still eat meat, but the animals should have to be raised and slaughtered in more humane conditions. It would also be much healthier. Yes, it would cost more, but it would also be better quality. Even if the price of meat doubled, it wouldn't be the worst thing if we all ate half as much meat as we do now.
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04-22-2015 , 12:50 AM
robot tractors
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04-22-2015 , 01:01 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGreenMagi
I think everyone could get behind simply enforcing animal cruelty laws. We could still eat meat, but the animals should have to be raised and slaughtered in more humane conditions. It would also be much healthier. Yes, it would cost more, but it would also be better quality. Even if the price of meat doubled, it wouldn't be the worst thing if we all ate half as much meat as we do now.
You can already overpay for fancy coddled meat if you're into that scene, hoss. No need to double the price of everybody else's hamburgers.
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04-22-2015 , 01:48 AM
The solution is clearly lab grown meat. That's the future, it will take less of a toll on the environment plus won't suffer due to the lack of a central nervous system. I'm sure the organic crowd will freak out and claim it will give you autism though, and rich folks will pay top dollar for meat coming from an actual animal that they will claim tastes better.
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04-22-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
outsourcing
Outsourced on NBC
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04-22-2015 , 01:55 AM
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Originally Posted by TheGreenMagi
I think everyone could get behind simply enforcing animal cruelty laws. We could still eat meat, but the animals should have to be raised and slaughtered in more humane conditions. It would also be much healthier. Yes, it would cost more, but it would also be better quality. Even if the price of meat doubled, it wouldn't be the worst thing if we all ate half as much meat as we do now.
Humane slaughter? There is no way to humanely murder a sentient being who wants to live
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04-22-2015 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Turn Prophet
Renewing the use of torture after eschewing it for decades
and flying planes into buildings
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04-22-2015 , 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DoTheMath
Rwanda & Darfur.

The reversal of the mid-20th century trend toward greater income and wealth equalization.

The decline of meaningful participation in democracy.

Failure to act on climate change.
Yep, this list is spot on.

We have plenty of knowledge about how much damage we are doing to the enviroment, yet we mainly turn the blind eye and continue polluting.
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04-22-2015 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by I_AM_EVIL
Overpopulation has to be near the top of the list.

Future generations will be amazed that we allowed anyone and everyone the right to have kids. Their population will be controlled by whatever form of government they have.
Another possible line for the future is expansion in the space. I like that line more.
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04-22-2015 , 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
It's all just about the how much, ofc.
When I was younger, we had nintendos, and some got time-limits from their parents, so that they don't play all the time, frying their brain with funny nonsense.
But now,... do you think she will be able to get your granddaughter (iirc) off her phone for many hours, once she got really used to it, which will ofc be very early?
.. and we got a computer when I was 4 but my wife and I still don't let my kids play computer games now and my oldest is seven. Life is about choices, but there are plenty of people who don't choose.

I think the answer depends a lot if we are talking about our specific home countries rather than world as a whole.
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04-22-2015 , 08:17 AM
Things like torture are already known to be bad now and the people making or who made the decisions are not really "my generation" (I'm 37) anyway.

Alimony being the norm in divorce cases, even where there are no kids (rather than for truly exceptional cases where someone has given up their whole career to raise kids) will seem pretty strange in the future, but again we already know that now and its on it's way out.

The answer we are looking for is something that seems ok and normal worldwide now but won't be seen that way in the future. A good 20th century one would be spousal rape - which was only banned as recently as the 1991 in the UK (change having been rejected in 1984) - and now we are already like "WTF doesn't Karzai's Afghan penal law ban martial rape, how can we support such a government??????" and we really can't get into the head of the people who opposed change in our own countries (the timeline in US states varies but overall is broadly comparable with the UK).

I think if meat substitutes are health-wise, economically and taste-wise able to displace real meat from our diets then it will be hard for future generations to understand how most people were ok with factory farming.
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04-22-2015 , 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LektorAJ
A good 20th century one would be spousal rape - which was only banned as recently as the 1991 in the UK (change having been rejected in 1984) - and now we are already like "WTF doesn't Karzai's Afghan penal law ban martial rape, how can we support such a government??????" and we really can't get into the head of the people who opposed change in our own countries
Yeah this is a good point. It's both good and bad, I'm glad societal norms are able to progress pretty darn quickly, but at the same time people seem so quick to condemn others using standards that were far from standard in their own countries less than 100 years ago.

Case in point: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...n%27s_suffrage
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04-22-2015 , 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by I_AM_EVIL
Future generations will be amazed that we allowed anyone and everyone the right to have kids. Their population will be controlled by whatever form of government they have.
No. There will be less people on earth 100 years from now and it will have nothing to do with any kind of government involvement in population control.
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04-22-2015 , 11:35 AM
^^China, though. They will at least have had something to do with it.
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04-22-2015 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by trob888
No. There will be less people on earth 100 years from now and it will have nothing to do with any kind of government involvement in population control.
Obv you're going to have to expand on this.
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