Yeah, you can kid yourself all you want that her face doesnt look fat but if all her pics are just crops of her head then she fat. If she looks chubby in her pics then shes really fat. If she looks young for her age then then the pics are 5 years out of date.

Using old pics is the worst one, i wouldnt dream of using a pic more than a year old because the person is expecting to meet the you from your photos, its really disingenuous and is only ever gonna end in disappointment.

I had two epic experiences about 3 years ago where I got totally trick-rolled by fatties. One was gorgeous, I think 28ish, and an oncologist. What I failed to realize from her pictures is that some were her OLD grad photos. I dunno, I figured maybe a specialist graduates med school at 27, so I didn't put any stock in it. This girl showed up a solid 30 pounds heavier than her pics. I mean I didn't even recognize her.

The other was a straight up face crop monster, before I knew what one of those even was. And the worst part was that while we messaged, I told her that I was getting a bit tired of online dating because of the people who post dishonest pictures. And she still decides to go out with me and trolololol me with being seriously overweight.

Last piece of advice from me anyway, is go on short easy cheap dates. Coffee and a walk became my date of choice, because I was going on so many back then. It's easy to pull the chute if it's awful, and if it's going really well you can just audible into "want to grab something for dinner?" and they always will if they're also feeling it. But the worst thing you can do is promise of dinner on date 1. lol I made that mistake when I was a rookie. Bought 3-4 dinners for just disaster chicks.

Got laid last night. Wasn't a POF girl.

confirmed real. 126 messages back and forth. has facebook, linkedin. she's hot. no pics though for obvious reasons... maybe bringing up twoplustwo to build comfort in first message to girls is a good strat?

ygos?

Right....being yourself with NO filters is bad. It's better to pretend you're someone else to get the girl to like you.

Wait, do you really not understand the difference between some dating filters that are influenced by social etiquette, vs some totally unfiltered version of you that can just say and do anything? There is nothing wrong with choosing what to say. There's a difference between lying, and filtering.

Yep.

Social etiquette? What is that please enlighten me.

No girl is going to sleep with you until she knows who you are. If you're thinking of what to say that means you're in your head trying to come up with things to impress her. EXPRESS not impress.


How is she going to know who you are if she cannot experience the real you?

Yes you will say stupid things,yes you will f*** it up but when it finnaly clicks and you get the girls it will be because of YOU,because you're awsome not because some lines or other bull****.
Doesn't matter what you say it how you say it as long as you're congruent with who you are.

If you're shy,be shy.
If you're the weird guy playing video games all week be that guy but own it. "Yes girl I got to level 10 last night really ****ing awsome I killed the boss after only 13.5 hrs of play " say it with a big smile on your f***ing face like genuinely happy you beat that level.

Be SHAMELESS.

How do you get "friend zoned" through on online date? One of the big advantages of online dating is that both of you are clear from the outset that you are on a date. Honestly, being "friend zoned" in a couple cases might not be so bad....I moved to my current city knowing absolutely zero people, and still don't have any close friends here.

You must be going on much different dates than me, because I can't imagine saying something like that. FWIW, most of the girls I date are lawyers and doctors (mostly recent grads, sometimes still in grad or professional school) in the 25-30 range. Those aren't the only girls I message, but those tend to be the ones I get responses from.

I'm not sure I am socially awkward so much as just introverted. My profile actually makes this pretty clear, so as to screen out girls that would dislike that trait. I know a lot of people would suggest not to indicate any thing like this in an online profile....but I don't think it has been any problem. As I mentioned, I get plenty of first dates, almost all from very attractive and professionally successful girls.

Plenty of girls on online dating will sleep with you without knowing you.

Nick,I never got friendzoned. My mentality on those dates was I f**k on the first date and if I fail and never see them again its fine. I was going to burn it to the ground.

I took home 2 of those girls,things got heated but couldnt close. What happens is girls have this "point of no return" when things get physical. If you passed that point but you don't actually have sex, you'll never see them again.

That's what happened to me that time.

Yeah 200lbs sex addicted whales

http://www.beautifulpeople.com

You said to say "I don't do this a lot" which is obviously not true. You seem to be justifying just trying to be as rude and ridiculous as you can be.

There's a reason you couldn't close with the ones you haven't closed with. And a reason you aren't clicking with others. And it is not them. But at least you seem to be doing those girls a favor by failing so obviously. The ones where you couldn't close...there's a reason there too.

Basically, everyone would be wise to do exactly the opposite of what you say. Thankfully, your performance in this thread makes that plainly obvious to anyone who can read.

U mad bro? It's just my opinion. I'm not asking anybody to follow my advice. What worked for me might not work for someone else.

Always look at the arms. That's impossible to hide. And make sure she's holding up a newspaper with the date on it.

Except that it isn't really working for you either as best I can tell.

I don't understand this at all. Aren't there a lot of girls who will sleep with a guy they like on the second date but not the first? If you're out with someone like that, why would you give up after the first date and completely start over with essentially a random draw from the pool?

This is one of the 3 falsest things I've ever read on 2p2, and ranks up there with "the moon landing was faked" in terms of crazyness. I typed up an actual paragraph to try to disprove your claim, then realize how absurd it is to even defend this point. You're so far off the mark.

Sweet, just got a random message offering me head any time I want it.

... from a dude.

Day 10 and that's the closest I've gotten to getting laid on POF.

10 days is a small sample size imho. Honestly I found eharmony way more effective than POF, just because of the guy to girl ratio. Last I heard, POF was very guy heavy, and most girls had just too much selection.

re: black girls and money

met a black chick on OKC about 5 weeks ago. aesthetically, I like black girls the least of any skin tone (even though I'm half black / half white myself), but she's good enough looking for it not to matter this time. she has some kind of education or liberal arts masters and works at a preschool - ok, cool.

I message her and meet up with her for drinks 5 days later, which was a Sunday. we have a couple beers and talk, then I convince her to come play board games with my housemate's gf and her friend and drink more. we bang that night, and I've seen her 7 or 8 times since then both alone and with groups.

she has not even offered to pay for one thing and hasn't even bought herself a drink while she's been with me. I'm in a better financial spot than just about any low-mid 20s girl I'm likely to meet and actually have no problem paying for almost everything, but it seems ridiculously out of touch and stingy to not even offer. she drives a minicooper and has an iphone; she isn't that poor. this, combined with her being somewhat boring and not a good conversationalist means I probably won't see her much anymore.


cool thread, will continue reading.

Yeah I'm not too worried about it.

I'm on the site looking for FWB. Don't want any kind of relationships other than that. I've had a few of those before but the girls always developed feelings sooner or later. Any tips for finding good FWB? Am I on the right site?

Were looking to actually date her seriously? In a scenario where it's just for fun, I don't really care if a girl displays that kind of behaviour. But if I'm looking to date someone semi-seriously or seriously, then it's one of the biggest red flags out there. But I'll add that if I'm looking to date someone seriously, I'd never bang the first time I meet them. If a girl is ok with doing that, generally speaking things aren't going to work out on the serious tip. I'd like a girl who is going to wait just a little longer... Naturally I expect there are some people who have seen exceptions to this. But for the most part, uber red flag.