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I'm not sure if Google would be this glib, but throughout history people have been barbaric savages. Those previous spree killers, they were almost certainly exposed to horrific violence before their spree (whether it was perpetrated against them or they just witnessed it)--they just didn't see it in a movie is all.

Most of the guys who returned home from the Civil War likely did not become spree/serial killers either despite their horrific exposure to personal violence over a long timeframe, BUT likely a few did. It has always been the the same small segment of bitter sociopaths doing the killing. The true mentally ill mostly kill themselves only, sad and alone. This guy is at the apex of the attention whore pyramid, and now he's getting it.

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07-22-2012 , 11:15 AM

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By your logic (and i use the term loosely) any film with violence in could be "glorifying" its use... Are you suggesting that an audience needs constant reminders during action films that this is not the way to act in real life or that their actions always have consequences? It is a work of fiction for gods sake. It is not trying to set a standard of morality for the real world and any intelligent viewer can see that. Furthermore, if every film ended with the bad guy getting his comeuppance, what kind of reality would that be portraying?

And yet I am not talking about "any film with violence". I am talking about this one particular film and the particular ways it glorifies specifically crowd-slaughtering mayhem inducing violence as noble and romantic in some way. And (at this point) I'm asking for anyone to dispute that assertion alone on its merits.

I'm much more interested in hearing a coherent answer to that than the dystopian future my logic would lead to, thanks.

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Killers or crazed gunmen like the one who carried out such a horrible crime in Colorado are not influenced by children's superhero films. They are influenced by their messed up childhoods, acute feelings of social exclusion, (sometimes) extreme religious convictions and maybe most importantly; mental illness.

We all have our inflection points. Surely you don't actually think that film was for children?

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07-22-2012 , 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Holliday

I am talking about this one particular film and the particular ways it glorifies specifically crowd-slaughtering mayhem inducing violence as noble and romantic in some way. And (at this point) I'm asking for anyone to dispute that assertion alone on its merits.

so have you seen it?

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07-22-2012 , 11:36 AM

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It has been a very long time since I read On Killing, but this blog post is lol******ed. Before we had all this teevee and vidyah games people used to go watch public hangings with their kids and bring a ****ing picnic lunch.

Any thoughts on "On Killing"?

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07-22-2012 , 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Holliday

because there are thousands and thousands of other very similar things that exist even though you apparently don't watch anything worse than my little pony, yet none of them have resulted in something similar. you are looking for a connection where there has never been any before.

you also fail to realize that perhaps the reason he chose this movie is that it is the biggest, most anticipated premiere of all time and would lead to maximum attention grabbing

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07-22-2012 , 11:49 AM

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Well yes actually I do think a film rated 12A is suitable watching for children...

You're right that the film was quite violent (shocker) and that the joker, whilst carrying out horrible crimes, was cool, charismatic and general pretty badass. (as a fictional character in a superhero film should be) But saying that his actions were made out to be noble and romantic is ridiculous. He is arrested at the end of the film and his main plan to blow up one of the barges carrying people is foiled after the two crews decided to spare each other. (an action which definitely seems quite noble to me)

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07-22-2012 , 11:50 AM

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so have you seen it?

Yes. So I must think I'm about to go on a killing spree, logically, right?

Have you heard of smoking causing cancer? Drinking and Driving leading to accidents? Sex leading to pregnancy?

Or maybe you could just tell me how TDK does not glorify violence?

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07-22-2012 , 11:51 AM

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I heard a would-be killer went into a showing of Battleship but there was no one in the theater

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07-22-2012 , 12:07 PM

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because there are thousands and thousands of other very similar things that exist even though you apparently don't watch anything worse than my little pony, yet none of them have resulted in something similar. you are looking for a connection where there has never been any before.

Well, that's mortifying to hear but thanks for the update. Maybe if you would kindly list some other works on the same sort of fetishized violence level we'll hit one I've seen. It would also help my cheat sheet of things to avoid seeing.

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you also fail to realize that perhaps the reason he chose this movie is that it is the biggest, most anticipated premiere of all time and would lead to maximum attention grabbing

Why not Spiderman or the Avengers? Those were pretty big and anticipated (pretty sure they were called similar before their premiers) and he wouldn't have had to wait as long. Same demographic as well.

BTW, I intend to see the Spiderman and did see Avengers.

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07-22-2012 , 12:07 PM

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I heard a would-be killer went into a showing of Battleship but there was no one in the theater

Heyo!

(Btw, thanks for the link earlier, good article.)

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07-22-2012 , 12:15 PM

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lol relax. you said you didn't want to see TDKR, so i was just asking if you had even seen it since you seemed pretty sure of all the violence it clearly glorifies. but i guess you were just talking about TDK.

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07-22-2012 , 12:17 PM

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=most+violent+movies

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it said he was preparing for months, maybe he didnt have all his equipment when those came out.

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07-22-2012 , 12:18 PM

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also best level in mw2: no russian

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07-22-2012 , 12:22 PM

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You mean would he still have had a psychic break without the movie? Probably yes, I suppose.

Would he have still come up with the plan of crowd-slaughtering mayhem exactly like the Joker would do? I'm inclined to think not.

This avoids answering if you think he would have still killed lots of people without the Batman series.

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07-22-2012 , 12:32 PM

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"will you visit me in prison?" in his profile? freaky ****.

Sad thing is I can see some sicko girls doing just that

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07-22-2012 , 12:33 PM

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Sad thing is I can see some sicko girls doing just that

Without a doubt. A lot of really screwed up/violent guys end up with prison groupies and get married.

So bizarre. How emotionally damaged do you need to be yourself to get involved with a mass murderer?

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07-22-2012 , 12:37 PM

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Let me preface this by saying its pure speculation on my part.

I wonder if this is not the female version of spree killing in that the same media/attention seeking behavior which drives some spree killers could be driving the women who seek them out for relationships?

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07-22-2012 , 12:40 PM

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Ummmm....wat?

Most female groupies don't get any media attention at all. Quick, tell me who married Ted Bundy DURING HIS TRIAL. Yeah, I can't tell you either, and I'm sure I've read the name at least half a dozen times or more. Most people can't remember much about most of Manson's groupies, either, other than that he had them.

I'm not sure what really motivates them, but I doubt it's fame or attention seeking behavior. TBH, I don't think that's the primary motivation for most spree killers, either.

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07-22-2012 , 12:51 PM

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I was thinking the attention seeking would be from thier established social network more than strangers. Like I said it is speculation.

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07-22-2012 , 12:57 PM

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I was thinking the attention seeking would be from thier established social network more than strangers. Like I said it is speculation.

I guess being known as the lady with the crazy killer as a boyfriend/husband might appeal to some people.

A lot of these women go out of their way to keep their "romance" a secret from their family/friends because they are afraid of how it looks, though, at least according to interviews I've seen. However, I don't know that there's a lot of research on this phenomenon, and if there is, I'm not up on it.

There's more than one type of groupie, though. A lot of people, not just women, think it's cool to have a psycho prison pen pal. That's not necessarily the type that ends up marrying the guy, though.

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07-22-2012 , 01:00 PM

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Well if his profile is right and he has a small penis, no worries about him making many gfs in prison ^^

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07-22-2012 , 01:01 PM

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Good points. I guess I was just trying to imagine what the female version might be since mass/serial/spree killing is largely a male phenomenon.

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07-22-2012 , 01:19 PM

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=most+violent+movies

So you have no idea what I'm talking about in terms of admiringly filmed chaos-inducing, ponderous torturous violence perpetrated by a villain for hours on end? Similar to TDK.

If you just think all violence is the same and westerns where a lot of people get shot are in the same category, then we're not really speaking the same language and I again must say that I can't help you.

I have seen 'Natural Born Killers' from the first list and I enjoyed it. But I had a drug problem at that time, so not sure it's my best judgement to go with.

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it said he was preparing for months, maybe he didnt have all his equipment when those came out.

Well I think he picked the date specifically and built his plan and acquisition logistics around it.

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07-22-2012 , 01:27 PM

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Well yes actually I do think a film rated 12A is suitable watching for children...

You're right that the film was quite violent (shocker) and that the joker, whilst carrying out horrible crimes, was cool, charismatic and general pretty badass. (as a fictional character in a superhero film should be) But saying that his actions were made out to be noble and romantic is ridiculous. He is arrested at the end of the film and his main plan to blow up one of the barges carrying people is foiled after the two crews decided to spare each other. (an action which definitely seems quite noble to me)

Virtually speechless again.

Those ratings are seemingly only about sex at this point. If they rated it worse would you only then find it unsuitable for children?

You're right about the ending of course. So there's that.