I'm saying I think it does affect people, sometimes in obvious ways, as with this shooting, possibly more often in subtle ways. I haven't said it causes it, b/c I don't think it causes it. My main point is I find the insta-excuse crowd response kind of fishy.

How is the video game/movie/media debate any less politarding than gun control debates or whatever other reason the other thread was nuked?

Ah, that is reasonable.

While I haven't been on a criminal psych ward yet, in the non-criminal ones, I'm the one ordering the sedatives. I think doctors and nurses and other medical staff treat patients better than cops and wardens and whatnot treat prisoners. Being sedated and restrained is better than being psychotic and agitated and dragged to wherever they'd take you in prison.

Shhhhh.

I just get tired of people saying "I don't think it's this thing, but this thing is probably partly to blame." Especially when this thing gets trotted out over and over again and ends up going away because it turns out it doesn't have any more to do with it than what he had for breakfast did.

When it's something this horrific giving it any blame is pretty much the same thing as giving it all the blame. And when it gets the blame people start thinking it's ok to put ratings on video games or limiting what people can watch or read.

I see your point. Ive had some other 'back in the day' pals go to prison and tell me how ****ed up it was. Crazy gang wars especially with a tonne of stabbings. You actually have to purchase your own body bag before entering a penitentiary.. Plus from what I understand guards are more likely to beat prisoners than patients. So I can understand your view completely.. I just know how ****ing creepy and wild it can get in some of the criminally insane wards...just think of some of the people they have in there(not saying prisons dont hold the same type of sickos). fml I couldnt handle it.

The other thread wasn't nuked, it was closed so that a new thread could be started that stated the rules clearly in the OP.

The videogame/entertainment conversation isn't political in the same way, and isn't as loaded with like 50 years of ongoing debate.

kerowo.

Read Clare's posts and actually argue against what he's saying. You're just foaming at the mouth and missing what he's saying and clowning up this thread.

I guess I was thrown off by the first rule: No politics.

We'll see if the 2+2 gang can solve the entertainment debate that's been going on since that kid killed himself listening to Ozzy's Suicide Solution nearly 30 years ago.

I found this interesting...

"In the profile, Holmes described his penis as "short/average," said he was a "light/social drinker" and in the section where he's asked if he smokes or does drugs, he answered, "I'd prefer not to say.""

http://www.tmz.com/2012/07/21/james-...ofile-website/

I bet there is a pretty big correlation between people who commit crimes like these and "short/average"

I don't think anybody is arguing that it doesn't affect people at all. We are arguing that it doesn't affect people in a way that causes an increase in violence in the world (and that there isn't any proof that it does).

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-...morial-service

Westboro church gonna picket memorial service

I'm guessing parents that are actually parents contribute to grounding their children in reality.

Either way it's still tarding up the thread just as much as talking about gun control.

Both sides have their arguments and the other side disagrees. Just like gun control.

hopefully these guys will be there to make sure that westboro isn't seen or heard:

http://www.patriotguard.org/

OK


It caused it or it didn't. Every time there is a tragedy like this one of the first things that get brought up is violent lyrics, violent games, violent moves.


I would like some too. What are you saying? It had an effect but it didn't cause the shooting? I went to WSU and may not understand your language, can you simplify it for me? How much responsibility does violent media have on this event? How did you get to that number? Do we know how much Holmes watched yet?


The reason I say that it has been settled is that a few weeks/months after events like this the media stops talking about the connection to violent media. My assumption, and again, y'all know how stupid I am, is that if there had ever, even once, been a concrete link between violent media and disturbed people doing horrific things it would have already been trotted out. It would have already been used by Parents Against Fun to put stricter controls on violence in the media.


I think you're saying that violent media, in particular TDK, is in some way to blame for what happened Friday night. I don't think it had any causal relationship with the shooting.

Stay classy Clare

Blaming the parents is almost as common as blaming the media (maybe even more so). This seems horrendously unfair to me. Yes, bad parenting is often a huge part of some people's failures to be decent citizens, but there are others who are mentally ****ed no matter how much their parents try to prevent it.

A fair point, IMO.

If someone is willing to take the position that video games leads to violence, then I'm willing to take the position that parents can intervene in those specific cases. There's a difference between that and what you're saying.

Kerowo,

You've been baiting me since I (ill-advisedly) started posting itt, so spare me the offended/stay classy reaction.

I don't know for sure what WSU is (Wash State I guess), but judging by your posts, they might want to stop teaching that everything is one way or the other. Yes, I think it had an effect, no I don't think it "caused" the shooting. No, I don't think media is culpable enough in these instances to warrant a serious discussion of censorship, yes I think they are more culpable than people like yourself who seem to want intellectual purity in the argument are willing to admit.

i don't really care, but are ppl arguing that violent video games don't cause an increase in violent behavior, or just that violent video games don't cause mass murder sprees? based on 5 minutes of googling, it seems like there is plenty of research that violent video games do lead to more violent behavior.

The post about WBC protesting was interesting, as I'd just seen these two posts on Takei's wall. I guess he hadn't heard about their picket.

I find it infuriating that the news media still gives these guys publicity. They are trolls. If you just ignore them they will go away.

Conspiracy theorist can dissect this to the end of time but the reality is until we focus on main core of the issue(helping people with whatever mental issues they have) we as a community will still point fingers at other aspects of the problem and waste valuable resources and time doing so.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I fail to see what at all is interesting about this. In fact I find it disgusting that anyone might be interested or intrigued by this.

And Clare: don't worry, there are still some people who know there are more colors than black and white.