As gross as it is, this sounds right. Music triggers at 12 sharp, he allows 20 minutes for all LE to respond to explosion, starts shooting up. Him (apparently?) leaving the door ajar also makes it seem like thats what he wanted.

Yep, that explains why he told the police about his traps.

If that were the case wouldn't he had used a timer for the explosives instead? I am guessing if he really thought he was the Joker(and it sounds like he does believe this) going the route he did was the more "clever" way.

I'm not really arguing. I found the violence in the last one disturbing. An apparently disturbed man who liked it showed up at its sequel and perpetrated a horrible act of violence which easily would have been at home in either movie.

I'm not saying I blame the movie. I am saying I don't think it should get an insta-reprieve from any blame. Also, I don't see how I could be misunderstanding TDK's disgusting glorification of violence.

Because it wasn't glorifying it?

Isn't that the exact plan as Breivik had?

Also the PD is pretty close to the theater. Makes sense he'd blow the apartment up so 50-100 cops show up there while he goes on his shooting spree and maybe get away.

is the official wounded count 58 or 70? I know it doesn't matter much, but I see CNN reporting as 58 wounded, but the governor in this press conference just said 70. is there something i'm missing?

my understanding is that it's 58 wounded plus 12 dead = 70 wounded. some places are reporting this as 70 wounded, 12 dead. which is kinda weird but whatever.

ok i thought they might have been counting the dead as well, but I guess the method varies form place to place

wat?

The shooter was ****ed up, it's his ****ed up brain to blame not anything else. I never understand why this is so hard to understand when this kind of thing happens.

Exactly. As I pointed out earlier people are terrible at differentiating proximate from ultimate causation.

You should watch Rampage, it's on Netflix.

Nice avatar/location.

While homeboy is obviously crazy, him claiming "I'M THE JOKER" just seems like trolling the police.

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And yet he was able to wait for this particular premier and apparantly plan the act for months. You don't think in any way TDK was a kind of inspiration to him? I sorta' do--that possibility was one of the reasons I didn't like that movie when it came out.

That's like saying porn causes rape.

Someone who is going to be violent may take certain elements from life to feed and fashion his violent fantasies, but that doesn't mean those elements caused the violence.

'Justified' was never a childrens TV show or cartoon which released a first re-boot movie with a moderate level of violence and then blew the doors off in the second film with multiple admiring shots of pure sadism.

And I waited all season to see how Raylan would foil the bickle gun and never thought of that one.

That's an unfair and inflamatory comparison. My understanding is almost all mass consumed porn contains no rape (I never watch it myself). How about specifically porn depicting rape; any studies on that?

Yeah. And violent porn doesn't cause violence/rape either.

Your confounding cause and effect. People with violent fantasies often actively search out violent imagery. The imagery doesn't make non-violent people violent; it does sometimes shape the violent fantasies of those already so inclined.

And Holmes was not a child when The Dark Knight came out. If you specifically have a problem with "children's entertainment" being violent, fine, but that's not at all relevant to this particular case. And your handwringing seems weirdly misplaced given that you're obviously a fan of one of the more violence glorifying shows going at the moment.

You see that's the thing; there's plenty of room to be one of the more violent shows going and yet still not be remotely close to Batman.

holliday: how does one explain that no public 24 man fight to the death tournaments have emerged after the release of hunger games.

I agree with this and I'd like to put this link here with that in mind. It's a list of the confirmed deceased victims, with their photos and small, respectful bios.

At least two of of those listed died while shielding their girlfriends. It is astounding to me that in those moments of sheer terror and panic, there really are people whose instincts are to protect others.

In the morning when I went online the photo on CNN from outside the theater looked EXACTLY like the Century 16 here in SLC, tho I'd already seen Colorado in the headline. Still quite a shock.

Hope this doesn't break the rules, but my .00002 is this particular narcissistic child who would bore the actual Joker if there was one to death in ten seconds, was so meticulous & book-smart (tho he missed the green hair thing) that only living in a completely disarmed police state would've stopped him from doing great damage somehow.

I'm sure I'm a major slow slow pony, but no lights/alarm go off when emergency door opened? No extra employees or security patrolling outside for a highly anticipated summer midnight premiere, or they just let his car stay parked illegally for 15-20 minutes?

Just terrible, theatres always been a soft target, surprising this is the first since Moscow.