ED,

Could you ask him to just pour out a little for your homies?

Buy a t-shirt, Silly.

That only means you sell $7/cup coffee, not drink it (or throw some of it away).

oT: Gtfo, you know Philz is made to perfect temp, taste, and volume levels. If I could afford Philz all the time, I could be free of such pedestrian coffee volume worries. But **** paying those bastards that much for coffee.

Cs: when I do get Philz, my little act of protest is to refuse to taste it. When they ask me to give it a try, I imagine myself as a cheery-waving Howard treesong and cheerily respond IT’S GREAT THANKS and walk away. I mean, I get it light light. What am I gonna do if there’s too much sugar or cream? Ask them to make another and wait 15 minutes?

LFS: really? That could be a GAME CHANGER for me!

A finger for cream

I would free rep. Personally I don't think containment is an effective strategy for him. I think someone else mentioned just temp banning him when he goes off on one would be a better approach. If it happens too often consider exile I guess. I like rep though and think he has been a good contributor to the community. I'm probably biased a bit though as when I see a thread derailed by him it doesn't really annoy me, I just tend to shrug my shoulders and think that's rep being rep and head to another thread.

I've never in my life seen containment strategy be more effective.

Exactly. What have we been missing out on?

If you don't want the poster around wouldn't exile be a better strategy? If the point of containment is some sort of rehabilitation process, it's clearly been a failure.

You’re not thinking American enough about this.

Why take the extra step of exiling a poster when containment has functionally worked as an exile? Like, a mod is going to PM him several months after he has stopped posting here to tell him "by the way, you're not allowed to come back"? That seems way weirder than just allowing the status quo to continue permanently.

Rexx,

I always think exile is better than containment, but containment is better than letting bad posters keep posting. In rep's case, what you're describing (multiple tempbans followed by exile) is exactly what happened, thanks to him self-exiling, so I don't really see what needs to change about that particular situation.

It's interesting to see him having so many defendants though. Guess it means he's coming back soon! Though I'm sure he wouldn't lower himself to posting among us middle aged republicans.

Fabian,
Seems over half his defenders have pretty openly stated a supporting reason of, "I'd like to see the world burn," which is...well I don't know, it's more understandable than actually liking his posting I guess.

LKJ,

Either one is pretty weird, but yeah it makes more sense than the alternative for sure.

I'd be happy if you just allowed him back to the gardening thread. As I said I'm probably not the best person to make a judgment call because I just skip a thread if a rep derail is happening and come back later when it's over. I have no idea why I don't find it as annoying as say a Golf derail, but there you go.

Also I think you are being deliberately obtuse in regards to my exile versus containment post. Of course I don't expect a mod to pm him exiling him now when effectively he has already self-exiled himself. I was talking about when containment first occurred and I think it was El D who stated he thought containment wouldn't work with rep and he was right.

Rexx,

Containment isn't about rehabilitation. Containment is about having an aquarium where not only are you allowed to tap the glass, it's encouraged, and made into sport.

Nah, I’m the Old Republican part of that. Except that +rep likes me anyway.

Does that mean that you got a pass on the "should be mass-murdered by gun violence" post? Maybe that was only for elected officials.

El d,

Yeah I wouldn’t do the hand sign either. Like I said, it came frim watching may dad order coffee like a narcissist and using hand signals for amount of foam while emphasizing the Italian pronunciation of anything possible at the counter in the hopes that someone recognizes he spent time in Italy and knows a lot about espresso. If he could hop the counter and guide their hand while they steamed the milk he would.

Re rep,

A little conflict is interesting and spicy, plus he adds other value imo. But I understand why others feel otherwise.

ETA: yeah the murder post was no good.

I must have missed that one. I don’t imagine that rep actually believes that. It’s a pretty offensive thing to post, sure, but whatever. It’s politics on the internets!

That's quite a crush you've got going.

Howard,
The original post was deleted, but here's someone quoting it in June 2017:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...ostcount=22759

Four months later in this thread, October 2017:

Mind you, even in a heightened emotional state, any worthwhile being wouldn't make the post he made, but despite some very minor amount of walk-back, four months later he mostly stuck by it, thus nullifying most any chance a person would have to just chalk it up to raw emotion.

As I kind of suspected upon review, it was about elected officials and not about 2p2 posters, but let's not offer undue benefit of the doubt as to the general content. Yes he essentially believes it and would very likely internally (at least internally) fist-pump if such an event were to take place.

Rexx,
Since I think you edited this in later I just saw it, but I assure you I wasn't being deliberately obtuse. Seems the only relevant subject right now is what to do right now. I mean, I guess it's fine to also revisit the initial decision, but I think it's reasonable that I would assume we're talking about right now.

Now that I'm on the same page as to the timeline, my answer is: since the end result was the same, any error in specific method is not that meaningful. FWIW I agree that 27 benefits from a bit of "play bad --> get there" here based on posts he made after the fact, where he was somehow offended that rep didn't lower himself to making posts in the containment thread to gain uncontainment. I've never seen the containment thread as a place that should exist solely for subjugation either.

I think the line would be in favor of rep not coming back even if invited at this point, irregardless to the fact.