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03-20-2014 , 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill
Yeah somebody already linked Dunning Kruger.

The stupidest people are too stupid to even know that they are stupid. It kind of makes sense too when you really think about it. Realizing one's own stupidity is at least recognizing and knowing something, that takes like a smallest kernel of thought to do. The bottom of the barrel stupid folk don't even possess the intelligence enough necessary to recognize how stupid they are.
I think it has more to do with ignorance as well as false praise while growing up rather than actual intelligence, though I generally agree with Dunning-Kruger(and DK is more about skills than intelligence anyways). My family has done a lot of work with kids with intellectual disabilities and they are often very aware of their intelligence. It's certainly one of their biggest insecurities and they are very aware of how people think of them and treat them.
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03-20-2014 , 06:49 AM
Having an argument with a friend, since when are there tracking devices in planes engines ? Is this something super recent or not ?
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03-20-2014 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam
Having an argument with a friend, since when are there tracking devices in planes engines ? Is this something super recent or not ?
FFS...

There aren't "tracking devices", some of them (Rolls Royce) have the ability to communicate with the RR factory in Derby via satellite
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03-20-2014 , 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by nickdcfc
FFS...

There aren't "tracking devices", some of them (Rolls Royce) have the ability to communicate with the RR factory in Derby via satellite
You're right, i should have been more specific. But the communication between the engine and the factory gives the plane current location right ?
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03-20-2014 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Kamikam
You're right, i should have been more specific. But the communication between the engine and the factor gives the plane current location right ?
If it did, do you not think that they would have dramatically narrowed down the search area by now (or at least before this debris was found)?

Afaik they can detect which satellite picked up the signal and where that satellite was, which goes a small way to locating where the signal was sent from (ie it couldn't have been from the opposite side of the Earth to the satellite), but that's about all.
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03-20-2014 , 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
If it did, do you not think that they would have dramatically narrowed down the search area by now (or at least before this debris was found)?

Afaik they can detect which satellite picked up the signal and where that satellite was, which goes a small way to locating where the signal was sent from (ie it couldn't have been from the opposite side of the Earth to the satellite), but that's about all.
Thats actually exactly what i wanted to know, thank you

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03-20-2014 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by DVaut1
That's ****ed up, doesn't sound quite right to me intuitively, but OK, intuitions are often wrong. I'd be shocked if the debris has moved literally hundreds of miles.
If the current is 2 mph, it's still almost 50 miles in 1 day.
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03-20-2014 , 07:42 AM
Probably a stupid question by me but is it possible to lose all "steering" capabilities on a 777? this is why the pilot programmed a flight pattern that he was 100% sure would take it over water so no one on the ground might be harmed.
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03-20-2014 , 07:42 AM
Misinformation ITT.

The report about the engines was an earlier report that was in error. The pings to the satellite are basically just keep-alive pings, just a "hi, I'm here". What can be measured is the angle from which the signal arrives at the satellite. The set of points that are at a certain angle from the satellite traces a circle on the earth's surface with the satellite at its center. Every time the plane made a ping, investigators know it had to be somewhere on that circle at that time.
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03-20-2014 , 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by njpokerplayer24
Probably a stupid question by me but is it possible to lose all "steering" capabilities on a 777? this is why the pilot programmed a flight pattern that he was 100% sure would take it over water so no one on the ground might be harmed.
If the autopilot can steer, then the pilot can steer.
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03-20-2014 , 07:43 AM
I think this will be like Payne Stewart. Something catastrophic happened, pilot tried to turn around, passed out and plane flew south til it crashed.
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03-20-2014 , 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by blackchilli
I don't think it was confirmed that the pilot was an atheist. The Malaysians still claim he was a Muslim. He did 'like' atheistic videos on his channel but I doubt he stopped praying, ate pork etc.

It is a HUGE deal for someone of his status to claim to be Atheist in Malaysia. He would be ostracized immediately by his extended family etc.

I had some Malaysian Chinese students and they were complaining that they couldn't even praise Islam in their classes or even discuss it. They had no right to express an opinion on that topic.
They have really nice food though, and Whitney Houston once had a concert there. You sound like a SIOA supporter. Do you think Breaking Bad is better than Dexter?
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03-20-2014 , 07:49 AM
Yesterday the company I work for purchased a $150k excavator that sends mechanical info from the machine back to the makers plant in case of errors etc, tracks fuel usage and also gps location

I'd be shocked if a Rolls Royce plane engine didn't have something in it to report back to the manufactures base
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03-20-2014 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
My theory is that the plane is somewhere near the red marker.



It was Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah who flew off the edge and decided that this was the way he was to commit suicide.
Looks like I wasn't too far off - now for the motive...
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03-20-2014 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
If the autopilot can steer, then the pilot can steer.
There's an interesting accident from a few decades ago where a propellor came off a plane and sliced through the bottom section of the hull. The damage pinched the mechanical cable from the pilots' steering columns initially rendering their controls almost inoperable. But the autopilot had a separate way of controlling the plane and so they were able to achieve some control by using it.

I think it was "Reeve Aleutian Airways Flight 8" but wikipedia doesn't have much information on it.

Edit: I was just posting that for interest, but I wonder if something similar isn't possible even in today's much more complicated planes. Like if there aren't some critical functions that are implemented separately for pilots and the autopilot where one could fail but the other couldn't.
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03-20-2014 , 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by The Detonator
As a computer programmer this offends me
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03-20-2014 , 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV
As a computer programmer this offends me
Why?
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03-20-2014 , 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
Why?
Anything with any properties is an object - even a blotch in a photograph. I was kidding though. Nobody ever accused me of being funny
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03-20-2014 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by The Detonator
Yesterday the company I work for purchased a $150k excavator that sends mechanical info from the machine back to the makers plant in case of errors etc, tracks fuel usage and also gps location

I'd be shocked if a Rolls Royce plane engine didn't have something in it to report back to the manufactures base
if they have them they obviously don't work in this situation or they are broken or something - they would clearly be using them to locate the plane.
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03-20-2014 , 08:11 AM
Its gonna cost of a lot of time/money to get that blackbox; do any of you guys think its possible that they would abandon the idea of trying to retrieve it given the possibility that it has nothing of value as it only records 2 hours

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03-20-2014 , 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy5
Looks like I wasn't too far off - now for the motive...
Wow man it's time to give up your job and become an international search and rescue expert. All you need to do is place random markers on the map and **** just turns up.

Seriously, do you actually think that this potential debris turning up validates your "prediction" in any way?
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03-20-2014 , 08:14 AM
CNN would put him on the air on the basis of that post
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03-20-2014 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by SretiCentV
Anything with any properties is an object - even a blotch in a photograph. I was kidding though. Nobody ever accused me of being funny
Oooh I get it....

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03-20-2014 , 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by BluffsOften
Its gonna cost of a lot of time/money to get that blackbox; do any of you guys think its possible that they would abandon the idea of trying to retrieve it given the possibility that it has nothing of value as it only records 2 hours
That's the voice recorder. The data recorder will have longer and will still be very valuable. In a modern airplane its recording thousands of different metrics so it'll likely give a good indication of what happened in a big picture point of view (malfunction, accident, was anyone actively flying the plane, etc.).
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03-20-2014 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerRon247
Seriously, do you actually think that this potential debris turning up validates your "prediction" in any way?
Yes
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