^ that, and also, why has no group taken credit for it?

I also dont get why terrorist groups just dont take credit for **** they didnt do? If I was a terrorist group id already have a press release out saying that we blew up flight 777 and death to all infidels or whatever

I don't know if they ever had a documentary about TWA 514, but in that crash both the First Officer and Second Officer (flight engineer) brought up the fact that they were descending too early for the approach into Dulles. This pre-dated the current focus on CRM. Both of the crew members brought it up but then acquiesced to the Captain's decision to descend.

Korean Airlines had to revamp their crew training in the late 90's after findings that crew were too bound by seniority which had been a contributory factor in a number of crashes.

Not sure if this made news in the West, but just last week there was a large scale terrorist attack at a crowded train station in China.

The parliament session lasts for nine days, and is currently in session.

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If this is an attack, it would seem that the extremists are trying to disrupt travel in and around China.

Regarding stolen passports, don't rule out wealthy Chinese using them to move around easily (and undetected), since China keeps tight controls on exit visa's. This could also include government officials, of which I've been told there are 80 million that make up the party.

Isn't it possible this thing is sitting in an abandoned field somewhere?

If you're going with terrorism theories couldn't they have hijacked the plane, cut all communications and landed the plane somewhere remote so they could strap explosive vests on all of the passengers before taking credit and making demands?

They haven't found anything have they?

wouldnt they have showed up on radar the whole way to their remote location?

My understanding is that they've found oil slicks consistent with a plane crash.

I don't think they could take the plane somewhere without the pilots signalling the hijacking or various military/civilian radar picking up the plane.

Seems very likely it's either a bomb (maybe needed two people to get all of the explosive materials on board) or significant structural failure (I read somewhere maintenance was required on one of the wings a couple of years ago).

I saw talk of some random oil slicks in the China Sea but didn't see anything about wreckage. Although I don't follow that closely.

It seems odd oil wouldn't have some sort of floating debris around it though.

The Air France plane that crash didn't issue a mayday and went down quickly too. Their plane stalled due to low speed.

No idea but it always seems like the bad guys come up with ways of evading stuff like that in the movies.

We'll have to ask woxof if it'd be possible to make his plane "disappear" and set it down in a remote location without being found (if he had a little help from a couple of experts w/ phony passports).

The 30 second blurb on the news a few minutes ago said they haven't found anything yet except for a couple of oil slicks in the ocean. There's plenty of oil slicks in the ocean.

Oil doesn't add up. Per another aviation forum, engines dont contain enough.

NO!

I usually don't take much interest in keeping up with the news but this one intrigues me quite a bit. Something about planes running into problems I find fascinating as I think Seabeast alluded to earlier. With that said my heart goes out to the victims and their families.

Some things of interest---

Since no distress signal was sent, many people think whatever happened at 35k feet was INSTANTANEOUS. However, the fact no signs of debri or wreckage has floated to the top makes it rather mysterious.

The area which it is presumed to crash is relatively shallow waters. We are not talking about the depths of the atlantic here. It is also heavily populated by fishing vessels.

The fact the 777 is a notoriously safe plane and the flight should of been at the safest part of the flight makes the issues with the passports of great interest. Terrorism? Who knows at this point but certainly you could make a strong argument for foul play.

Say what you will about terrorists, but they've got integrity.

I was wondering about this as well. From Business Insider:

I know nothing about the subject, but two slicks that are between 6 and 12 miles long seems like a lot of oil.

Assuming it was an act of terrorism (still to early to say) who said anyone needs to claim responsibility? We officially have no idea WTF happened, why not carryout the same plan on a more massive level.

Aliens appearing more and more likely...

Claiming responsibility on behalf of some cause is the whole point of terrorism. Otherwise it's just murder.

I assume your reputation amongst terrorist will take a pretty huge hit once the investigation concludes.

"Did you hear about Alobarhak taking credit for a pilot error? hahaha"

Could fit in with either a hijacking or an Air France type situation, I guess.

Jet fuel is similar to kerosene, which is oil-like.

clearly you missed the whole point of my post.

I never claimed what you are alluding to. Just that the fact you rule it out completely "oooo it can't be terrorist because xyz" and then I provided a counter argument under certain situations why xyz logic is flawed . you can't dismiss it completely and state a misc. fact. well I guess you can and you just did.

anyhow, anxiously awaiting to see how this story turn outs.

Do we have any indication of how common of a practice this might be? I know I did some work for a rich and shady Chinese guy a decade ago or more, and him having a burner passport would not surprise me in the least.

Ironically, just saw Donnie Darko...

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