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In the end, perhaps it was an electrical fire. However, this "simple electrical fire explanation" requires a fire that starts somewhere near the cockpit, incapacitates everyone including crew before a call could be made, and then burns itself out despite all the flammable stuff on airplanes and doesn't damage the plane enough to disable any flight controls for 6 hours. This would be an extraordinary event without precedent and is hardly a "simple" explanation for this or any plane crash.

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03-23-2014 , 01:08 PM

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There are no simple explanations for this

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03-23-2014 , 01:16 PM

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I really like this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...-flight-MH370/

To me, just clicking through the slides, it really looks to me like they say goodnight at 1:19, and basically right then something drastic happens, so they turn the plane around to try for an emergency landing.

Malaysian govt has refuted the ACARS claim made by US officials. Obviously more concrete information on this is needed.

I don't know why they didn't try to land once they turned around and passed through Thailand and Malaysia again. Or again after heading north....trying to wrap my head around why at this point they'd fly towards the Indian Ocean rather than trying to land.

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03-23-2014 , 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

what about attempted hijacking/pilot rerouting that ended up resulting in an accident? i think that's still a pretty strong possibility.

i still think the chances of a successful hijack/reroute are low.

Sure definitely. I'm just saying that there's very strong evidence someone knowledgeable with malicious intentions was involved. That definitely leaves lots of specific possibilities.

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03-23-2014 , 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by housenuts

these are kind of the same thing. given the uncertainty with the acars transmission, i think a perfectly reasonable chain of events is:

1) everything is ok. co-pilot radios in good night.
2) a catastrophic fire starts that knocks out many of the systems, including communication.
3) pilots try to rectify the situation. they over the indian ocean, perhaps their mapping software is down too.
4) they fly around aimlessly trying to find somewhere to emergency land. perhaps unable to even really control the plane. perhaps even unconscious.
5) plane crashes in the ocean.

This isn't reasonable given what we know of the situation.

Your fire in 2) has too many extremely unlikely properties.

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03-23-2014 , 01:24 PM

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Glad that's settled

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03-23-2014 , 01:26 PM

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lol at everyone ITT dismissing the simple electrical fire explaination for the conspiricatard stuff based on like sixth hand info

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There are no simple explanations for this

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03-23-2014 , 01:27 PM

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But pilot suicide and hijacking also don't make any sense. Hijackers make demands or do something with the plane. There is some objective other than flying it to the middle of the ocean. And pilot suicide? Why would he fly around for seven hours? Just to screw with the people riding in the plane?

But they fit the facts. Trying to argue that someone psychologically unstable wouldn't do specific actions based on your beliefs of reasonable actions and no actual facts is pointless.

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Glad that's settled

It's been pointed out many times why.

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03-23-2014 , 01:28 PM

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This isn't reasonable given what we know of the situation.

Your fire in 2) has too many extremely unlikely properties.

why? i don't know how the transmission stuff works on the plane, but i assume there's probably 2 spots where transmissions can be sent/received. the reason for 2 is in case one fails, there is a backup.

but where are they housed? i guess i'd need to see the schematics, not that I'd be able to make much sense of it, but I just think a fire could occur that could disrupt the whole system rendering an inability to send or receive

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“The whole world is looking for this missing plane and the person who arguably knows most about the state of mind of the man who captained the plane is being left alone,” said a source close to the FBI team.

AKA, the reporter's mom.

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03-23-2014 , 01:29 PM

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So electrical fire people, lets just focus on one unlikely piece. Isn't it strange that the acars transmitter was damaged / disabled by pilots fighting the fire but the device still had power to transmit its regular location/connection ping?

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People talking about extremely unlikely, do you really think once we know we're gonna be like, WOW thats so simple, I cant believe we didnt think of that!

Its going to be an extremely unlikely scenario. If it wasn't this would happen more often, its pretty easy statistics. How many flights land safely every year and how much disappear ? Must be something pretty unlikely, amirite ? like maybe like a combination of things happening at extremely unlucky time.

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the ping and acar are totally different system if I understand correctly, even if they arn't, its not that unlikely. It also isnt a location ping.

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Already answered. The short version is that we're talking unlikely GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW (bold is too hard on a phone).

It's a common confusion with people.

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03-23-2014 , 01:34 PM

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Depends on how it works.

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03-23-2014 , 01:34 PM

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I wasnt asking you anything, I was telling you.

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We don't know whether this is strange or not. It isn't particularly unusual for engineers to use different power supplies for separate functions of the same system. Unless you have the electrical schematics for a 777 this is pointless speculation.

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03-23-2014 , 01:36 PM

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what do you mean? acars sent it's last transmission at 1:07am. the last radio transmission was at 1:19. the transponder went off at 1:21.

i'm proposing a fire occurred basically right after the last radio transmission. unlikely coincidence? yes, obviously. but it fits what we know.

as for the inmarsat satellite data, i think that is housed on the top of the plane and in a completely different area from the acars/radio transmission area, which is why it remained undamaged.

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I wasnt asking you anything, I was telling you.

Too bad. You might have learned something.

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03-23-2014 , 01:37 PM

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I don't know anything about the "ping" thing (and my guess is that most posters in this thread don't either), but are we sure the ping goes through the ACARS system?

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03-23-2014 , 01:37 PM

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My understanding was that it was the device that transmitted the acars data. If that's not true, my mistake.

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I don't know anything about the "ping" thing (and my guess is that most posters in this thread don't either), but are we sure the ping goes through the ACARS system?

Sounds like maybe not?