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08-27-2007 , 11:16 PM
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cbloom, where'd you hear it was a huge distortion? It seemed like it was pretty true to the actual events. The creators were lucky that this movie sort of fell in their lap near the beginning so they were able to catch so much of it on film.

Donkey Kong is one of my favorite video games ever so I've been following this film avidly. I've yet to see it though since it isn't playing anywhere near me.

First of all, read up a bit on Billy Mitchell, and you'll see he's far from being the [censored] everyone is making him out to be. The movie is told from a very distorted view. I can't say I blame them, as it seems in a documentary you often have to create a story where one isn't.

link for more info(INCLUDES SPOILER)

As for the story falling into their laps, wasn't this documentary created by friends of Wiebe's?

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I think the coolest thing about Mitchell rebreaking the record is that he killed off his final two lives well before the kill screen after only passing Wiebe by 1000 points just to keep it close.
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How did you know he was well before the kill screen? If the next screen is the kill screen, thats how he can maximize his score, since he can't do anything there.

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Mitchell broke the record in public. In the write-up about his record-breaking game it says he killed off the game at level 21-1, which if you know how DK levels are numbered means he killed it off with a full 5 screens more that he could have played before the kill screen. Meaning probably 50-75k more points he could have hypothetically scored.
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The article I found about that was Billy's latest record, which was not done at the time the movie was filmed. He definitely "didn't run it up" on his record game and killed off men after he had Wiebe beat, but that was in July of this year.
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08-28-2007 , 01:35 AM
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cbloom, where'd you hear it was a huge distortion? It seemed like it was pretty true to the actual events. The creators were lucky that this movie sort of fell in their lap near the beginning so they were able to catch so much of it on film.

Donkey Kong is one of my favorite video games ever so I've been following this film avidly. I've yet to see it though since it isn't playing anywhere near me.

First of all, read up a bit on Billy Mitchell, and you'll see he's far from being the [censored] everyone is making him out to be. The movie is told from a very distorted view. I can't say I blame them, as it seems in a documentary you often have to create a story where one isn't.

link for more info(INCLUDES SPOILER)

As for the story falling into their laps, wasn't this documentary created by friends of Wiebe's?

*spoiler in white*

I think the coolest thing about Mitchell rebreaking the record is that he killed off his final two lives well before the kill screen after only passing Wiebe by 1000 points just to keep it close.
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How did you know he was well before the kill screen? If the next screen is the kill screen, thats how he can maximize his score, since he can't do anything there.

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Mitchell broke the record in public. In the write-up about his record-breaking game it says he killed off the game at level 21-1, which if you know how DK levels are numbered means he killed it off with a full 5 screens more that he could have played before the kill screen. Meaning probably 50-75k more points he could have hypothetically scored.
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The article I found about that was Billy's latest record, which was not done at the time the movie was filmed. He definitely "didn't run it up" on his record game and killed off men after he had Wiebe beat, but that was in July of this year.
yes, that is exactly what I was talking about.
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08-30-2007 , 11:51 AM
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Charlie,

A really huge spoiler like that isn't welcome in this thread. Edit plz, or put in white.
Hey sorry about that guys. Sunday I had a couple of fantasy football drafts and some people brought over some smoke. It had been awhile and this was some really strong [censored].

Somewhere along that night in between eating two 3 topping dominos pizzas and listening to the doors I guess i decided to log on to 2+2.
I think I just meant to post the news from a month or two ago(ill put it in white EVENTHOUGH IT IS NOT A SPOILER GIVEN THE MOVIE TAKES PLACE YEARS AGO) about a new DK record being set by Billy Mitcher

but being stoned and a dumbass I apparantly referenced the end of the movie which was very ban worthy. The ban did show me that I really need to get better at MTTs and start winning some money to justify the amount of time I spend on this site...

On a side note I also apparantly decided to make some fantasy football trades while high.
I offered a trade of my Marc Bulger and Willie Parker for the other guys Eli Manning.
I must of thought I was trading for Peyton.

anyways...sorry about that.
and hopefully the giants will do well this year.

CDS
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08-30-2007 , 12:17 PM
Charlie,

Your post reminds me that Ryan Beal recently removed "dumbass" from the profanity filter. The filter is like the Hotel California, things that enter rarely leave. I for one am grateful to have "dumbass" back in the fold and if you are too you should send Ryan a PM saying thanks.
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08-30-2007 , 12:48 PM
of course it's a spoiler.. just because the movie takes place years ago it's not a spoiler? that is ridiculous. it's a movie. a VAST MAJORITY of the people who haven't seen said movie do not know how it ends. revealing the ending is a spoiler, by definition.
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08-30-2007 , 01:30 PM
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of course it's a spoiler.. just because the movie takes place years ago it's not a spoiler? that is ridiculous. it's a movie. a VAST MAJORITY of the people who haven't seen said movie do not know how it ends. revealing the ending is a spoiler, by definition.
daryn,

fwiw, I pretty much assumed anyone who would be remotely interested in actually seeing this movie already knew what CDS posted. Maybe I overjudged how common knowledge that was, which is why I posted my subsequent spoilers in white.
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08-30-2007 , 01:41 PM
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of course it's a spoiler.. just because the movie takes place years ago it's not a spoiler? that is ridiculous. it's a movie. a VAST MAJORITY of the people who haven't seen said movie do not know how it ends. revealing the ending is a spoiler, by definition.

the movie ends like a year ago.
what i MEANT to post happened 1 month ago---i.e Billy Mitchell set a new DK record last month and does not reveal the ending of the film.

In other news for fans of the flick...as someone above posted Seth Gordon is shooting a movie with actors playing the roles.
Looks like they are going hard after Johnny Depp to play Billy.
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08-30-2007 , 01:51 PM
In the beginning of the film they reference a 1982 meeting held by LIFE magazine where all the best video game players in the world get together.

There's a movie about that coming out/out called "Chasing Ghosts" about that meeting i'm looking forward to seeing.

BTW i loved this movie and it's probably one of my favorite ever. I never played classic arcade games and don't plan on it either.

Also - for those of you that did see it - the twin galaxies forum is hillarious. If you didn't see the movie yet do NOT click on the website.
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08-30-2007 , 06:35 PM
CDS,

Posting the end of Jean Claude Van Dammes's "Bloodsport" is a spoiler. You probably won't get dinged for it though since the movie came out ~25 years ago and is on a basic cable channel 24/7. Posting the end to a movie that was just released is a spoiler. You should get dinged for revealing it because it just came out, who the [censored] knows who the world champion Donkey Kong player is,and knowing ahead of time will change the movie. If this was 1994, posting, "The ship sinks!" would be akin to the former while posting, "Spacey is Koze!" would be akin to the latter. One makes you an idiot, and the other makes you a malicious idiot, no matter how stoned you are.

Simply put, the ending of this movie is not common knowledge, you revealed the ending of the movie, and knowing that spoiler will probably affect the experience of the movie. This is the second time you've posted a massive spoiler, so its clearly not a one-off. If you're so high you can't control your actions, that's not anyone else's problem. You're still responsible for your actions.

[censored] off, and you should be banned.
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08-30-2007 , 07:11 PM
This movie was depressing.
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08-30-2007 , 07:30 PM
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of course it's a spoiler.. just because the movie takes place years ago it's not a spoiler? that is ridiculous. it's a movie. a VAST MAJORITY of the people who haven't seen said movie do not know how it ends. revealing the ending is a spoiler, by definition.
I'd just like to point out that a bunch of us who would really like to see this movie haven't been able to because its not available to us yet. Its not like I've been putting it off, the film hasn't been shown within 100 miles of where I live.
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08-30-2007 , 07:46 PM
Everyone alive should go see this movie.

Yeah that spoiler sucked. Thanks CDS.
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08-30-2007 , 08:11 PM
CDS,

dont listen to the haters.

Your knowledge of the competitive retro arcade gaming world is impressive.

You must be knee deep in poon.
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08-30-2007 , 08:17 PM
oddly, closing out his review of the movie eibert mentions the incident that CDS is referring to that he claims he intended to write. this recent event seems like a spoiler to me.

im a huge fan of eibert too so i was surprised to see it in his review. i guess if eibert had some pot and pizza that night he would have written some serious spoilers that would have put CDS to shame.
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08-30-2007 , 08:24 PM
daryn,

Thanks for the heads up. I am downloading this film right now. Also thanks for cleaning up this thread.
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08-30-2007 , 09:27 PM
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CDS,

Posting the end of Jean Claude Van Dammes's "Bloodsport" is a spoiler. You probably won't get dinged for it though since the movie came out ~25 years ago and is on a basic cable channel 24/7. Posting the end to a movie that was just released is a spoiler. You should get dinged for revealing it because it just came out, who the [censored] knows who the world champion Donkey Kong player is,and knowing ahead of time will change the movie. If this was 1994, posting, "The ship sinks!" would be akin to the former while posting, "Spacey is Koze!" would be akin to the latter. One makes you an idiot, and the other makes you a malicious idiot, no matter how stoned you are.

Simply put, the ending of this movie is not common knowledge, you revealed the ending of the movie, and knowing that spoiler will probably affect the experience of the movie. This is the second time you've posted a massive spoiler, so its clearly not a one-off. If you're so high you can't control your actions, that's not anyone else's problem. You're still responsible for your actions.

[censored] off, and you should be banned.

1: first time i posted a massive spoiler n first time i ever was banned from ott cept my first day in 03 when i didn't realize u cant post pics of almost naked chicks...the other time daryn warned me about spoilers was cuz i posted about who the upcoming episodes were going to be about in a LOST theed..i.e whos backstory it would be about without whiting it out.

2: I'm not arguing about being banned or the fact I gave away the end of the movie in my post which I did. I apologized for that and its not something I'd normally intentionally do especially given I talked about KOK 2 or 3 months ago in an EDGD movie thread. If that isn't good enough for you well then u can KMA.

But what surprised me is that if i had simply posted what i mean to post, Billy Mitchell set a new record for DK last month that would be considered a massive spoiler and the same as giving away the end of the film eventhough the film ends years ago.

The part of my post that I considered the part that got me banned was the one that actually talked about the end of the film. But apparantly Daryn views both parts of the post as exactly the same in terms of being ban worthy...which surprised me. Of course people have heart attacks if someone mentions the teaser for an upcoming episode of LOST so maybe I should have known better.

aka I'd assume if somebody saw Sicko on dvd and reviewed it and I mentioned the stuff about how its [censored] up about what the Bush admin. is doing to Moore because he xxxx. That would be ban worthy cuz eventhough it was recent news...it is related to the movie and thus must be a massive spoiler.
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08-30-2007 , 09:41 PM
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Billy Mitchell set a new record for DK last month
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While I agree with your claim that the above isnt as bad a coming out and saying "wiebe beats the record in the end", it isnt something that belongs in this thread.

Lets say with 20 minutes to go Im given this new information that Billy, since the production of this film, set a new world record. It, IMO, makes it a lot more likely that Wiebe breaks the record, since Mitchell seemed content to not push the envelope when he had the all time record
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08-30-2007 , 10:45 PM
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Billy Mitchell set a new record for DK last month

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While I agree with your claim that the above isnt as bad a coming out and saying "wiebe beats the record in the end", it isnt something that belongs in this thread.

Lets say with 20 minutes to go Im given this new information that Billy, since the production of this film, set a new world record. It, IMO, makes it a lot more likely that Wiebe breaks the record, since Mitchell seemed content to not push the envelope when he had the all time record





Yeah I guess I could see it some what if you really sat around and thought to yourself hmm what does that mean for the overall structure of how the film ends but I just thought it was being a bit nitty to compare that to a real spoiler(esp since this a documentary)...I'd compare it to people ahving a [censored] fit when people discuss the LOST preview for the upcoming week that is shown on ABC etc.

But even the previews give away that Wiebe broke the record but just that it was being disputed and then the whole "fake" war between good vs. evil is hyped up. Of any movie/doc I've ever seen this is one where the end of the movie was really meaningless compared to the beginning and middle.

Plus the film is heavily doctured ala Survivor thru the use of editing etc to achieve their goal of creating a really good narative.

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08-30-2007 , 10:51 PM
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oddly, closing out his review of the movie eibert mentions the incident that CDS is referring to that he claims he intended to write. this recent event seems like a spoiler to me.

im a huge fan of eibert too so i was surprised to see it in his review. i guess if eibert had some pot and pizza that night he would have written some serious spoilers that would have put CDS to shame.
this makes me feel better...Ebert tends to go out of his way not to spoil movie plot...so if he included this he really believed it wasn't in any way a spoiler to the film overall.


from eberts review
All questions to which you will find answers, sort of, in the film. I would never dream of giving away the ending. But I can give away what happened after the ending. Today I went to www.TwinGalaxies.com and discovered that on July 13, the 25th anniversary of his original record, "in front of an audience of hundreds," Billy Mitchell topped his own record by scoring 1,050,200 points. I have a sinking feeling that Steve Wiebe is out in the garage right now.
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08-31-2007 , 01:41 AM
Just wanted added this movie ruled for many reasons, not least of which was the inclusion of one of the best songs EVAR. Everybody Knows
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08-31-2007 , 01:49 AM
I really hate how this movie portrays Billy as a bad guy. From everything I've read about him, video game exploits aside, he just seems like a good human being. I think the true story of this is just two guys who at heart are good guys battling it out for supremacy at one of the most kick-ass video games of all-time. But two good guys doesn't make for an interesting story so they cast Billy as the bad guy.
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08-31-2007 , 01:50 AM
Thank god they make this game out to be one of the hardest. Because I am terrible at it. I have trouble getting past the first screen.

I wonder what the original programmers have to say about these people.
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08-31-2007 , 01:55 AM
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Thank god they make this game out to be one of the hardest. Because I am terrible at it. I have trouble getting past the first screen.

I wonder what the original programmers have to say about these people.
the game is ridiculously hard in terms of classic games, but it is still in my top 5 games of all time. They are really not exaggerating when they talk about how hard the 3rd elevator stage is in the movie.
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08-31-2007 , 02:03 AM
Yeah it seems a given since they initially approached Steve first about making a documentary that they obv would choose to make him "the good guy".

They defenitely saw gold in Billy and decided to cut the film in a way that made him seem much more toolish and sinister than he actually was. Weibe is pretty bland and dull. Plus u got to wonder about a guy who has a family and loses his job and decides to just sit on his ass all day and play Donkey Kong.

All I can say is if Johnny Depp plays Billy Mitchell..it will be so awesome words won't be able to describe it.
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08-31-2007 , 10:32 AM
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I really hate how this movie portrays Billy as a bad guy. From everything I've read about him, video game exploits aside, he just seems like a good human being. I think the true story of this is just two guys who at heart are good guys battling it out for supremacy at one of the most kick-ass video games of all-time. But two good guys doesn't make for an interesting story so they cast Billy as the bad guy.
I don't know Billy at all, and I have no idea to what extent your statement is true, but I'm sure it is. That being said, Billy made it pretty damn easy for them to do this.
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