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11-13-2014 , 01:07 PM
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Why did the watch keep repeating the morse code endlessly for her to decode it decades later?
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11-13-2014 , 02:15 PM
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The morse code is the other half of the gravity equation needed from inside a black hole
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11-13-2014 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
With film, style is substance.


You can't make that post right after dismissing the Transformers series which is as good a model for style /= substance as you will find.

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11-13-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Why were there screens everywhere at the end playing interviews of people who survived the blight on loop? That would be super annoying
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11-13-2014 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 70months
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Why were there screens everywhere at the end playing interviews of people who survived the blight on loop? That would be super annoying
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it's a museum
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11-13-2014 , 04:27 PM
O.A.F.K.,

Your reasoning fails imo, science fiction/fantasy is probably the most cerebral and idea-packed genre there is. I don't watch a great Science Fiction when I want to turn my mind off, quite the opposite. That said I liked interstellar a lot.
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11-13-2014 , 04:41 PM
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O.A.F.K.,

Your reasoning fails imo, science fiction/fantasy is probably the most cerebral and idea-packed genre there is. I don't watch a great Science Fiction when I want to turn my mind off, quite the opposite. That said I liked interstellar a lot.
Where do I say you have to turn your mind completely off? However you should have to turn your eyes on.

Sci-Fi is not within a million miles of being the most cerebral genre. You need to watch more films. Ever watched a Bergman film?

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11-13-2014 , 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dcm91


You can't make that post right after dismissing the Transformers series which is as good a model for style /= substance as you will find.
In a visual media style will equal substance. To me a great Sci-Fi film will feed the eye and the mind.

Its worth pointing out in relation to the Transformers films that s*** is a substance.
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11-13-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
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The morse code is the other half of the gravity equation needed from inside a black hole
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LOL yeah I got that. I'm asking why I'm supposed to believe that 3 decades later she goes and picks up the watch and not only is it still running, but it's still ticking in the same morse code.
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11-13-2014 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sly Caveat
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LOL yeah I got that. I'm asking why I'm supposed to believe that 3 decades later she goes and picks up the watch and not only is it still running, but it's still ticking in the same morse code.
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But your OK believing McConaughey is communicating with her from a 5th dimension inside a black hole built by future humans?


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There is no three decades time between when the morse code is used to spell stay and when its used on the watch, the three decades is purely relative to the Girl, for McConaughey its just a few seconds apart, that is the whole ****ing point.
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11-13-2014 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
In a visual media style will equal substance.
It can (and should) but that doesn't mean it always does. I can't tell if you think differently, but whatever, I'm just being a pill.
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11-13-2014 , 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dcm91
It can (and should) but that doesn't mean it always does. I can't tell if you think differently, but whatever, I'm just being a pill.
Well yea, I just wanted to point out that style v substance can be a false dichotomy.
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11-13-2014 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
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But your OK believing McConaughey is communicating with her from a 5th dimension inside a black hole build by future humans?
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Um, yes? I'll believe all the 5th dimension stuff just like I believe Luke can use the Force. This is the willing suspension of disbelief. But I would not believe it if Luke sprouted wings to fly. You create a setting for the story and then you obey the laws of that realm. The 5th dimension black hole stuff obeys the laws of that realm, as farfetched as they happen to be. The watch doesn't, as far as I can tell.


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There is no three decades time between when the morse code is used to spell stay and when its used on the watch, the three decades is purely relative to the Girl, for McConaughey its just a few seconds apart, that is the whole ****ing point.
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Isn't it still in the girl's childhood when he nudges the watch? We never see adult Murphy from the tesseract. Regardless, when he nudges the watch, why does it continue to repeat the pattern after she grabs it?
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11-13-2014 , 06:13 PM
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It doesn't matter whether or not he adjusts the watch when she is 10 on the other side of the shelf, because he's doing it from a dimension where her entire life within that room is occurring simultaneously. It keeps repeating the pattern because of the gravitational anomaly he attaches(?) to it. (I'm not sure on that last part.)
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11-13-2014 , 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by dcm91
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It doesn't matter whether or not he adjusts the watch when she is 10 on the other side of the shelf, because he's doing it from a dimension where her entire life within that room is occurring simultaneously. It keeps repeating the pattern because of the gravitational anomaly he attaches(?) to it. (I'm not sure on that last part.)
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It does matter. When he knocks the book off the shelf, it happens when she's 10. It doesn't keep happening over and over again indefinitely. He may be able to see her whole life simultaneously, but anything that happens on the other side of the wall only happens once at a specific point in time. So I guess it happens while she is out burning the field as an adult? I don't remember the details exactly so I don't know what to think about that. Not sure I'm buying the gravitational anomaly part but okay.
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11-13-2014 , 06:57 PM
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Hm yeah forgot about the book. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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11-13-2014 , 07:20 PM
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http://nofilmschool.com/sites/defaul...?itok=z_QpsXGO
According to this timeline, it did happen when she was an adult.
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11-13-2014 , 08:14 PM
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http://nofilmschool.com/sites/defaul...?itok=z_QpsXGO
According to this timeline, it did happen when she was an adult.
I do vaguely remember him flying through the tesseract, maybe looking for the watch, so that makes sense.
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11-13-2014 , 09:13 PM
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for some reason I thought it was really clear in the movie that he went searching through the tesseract to the point in time where adult her was in the room so he could do the watch thing
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11-13-2014 , 09:25 PM
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Great Sci fi has a strong visceral element, it is supposed to use the medium of cinema to evoke wonder and awe, Interstellar does this in a way not even remotely attempted by the films you mention.

Just the one scene of the space craft framed against Saturn makes this a better film and thats ignoring the brilliant take off scene, and what I thought was an excellent scene on the water world amongst many others.

Obviously if the plot motivating these scenes is terrible then they will not impact in the same way as the viewer has not suspended critical distance.

However for me that was not the case.

Its a Hollywood film in which a man has to leave his daughter/family and fly to another Galaxy and save the human race from extinction.

Given the range of sentimentality possible in such a set up I felt this film fell towards the lower end of the spectrum and handled that basic premise deftly and interestingly all things considered. The lie about plan A, the fact that time became a recourse, etc etc. Yes it crossed the line of sentimentality a few times, but Hollywood gonna Hollywood. For me the only time it really let itself down was at the end when he flies off to link up with Hathaway.

It also has tons of nice touches, the moon landing being faked, the humour of the robot which is executed excellently with the human slaves line.

Which brings onto the fact that it has great robots. Not a single robot in Gattica. Or maybe there was, hard to tell as Gattica just like Contact is an entirely forgettable film.
Best post in the thread.

Loved the movie, can't wait to see it again.
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11-13-2014 , 10:41 PM
The father/daughter relationship in Contact was 10x better than Interstellar because you saw their initial connection, the devastation of his death when she was a kid, her growing up and eventually meeting an alien that took the form of her Dad to ease her into what was going on. Constant theme throughout the movie and emotionally relatable. The audience had time to take in the relationship and watch it play a role in her life the whole way. Interstellar was so one note - the daughter is smart and stubborn, while deep down being a daddy's girl and missing him incredibly. Cut to adulthood and 10 minutes of science talk for exposition. Cry a bunch and we're done.

Not going to convince someone who loved Interstellar that it's not a good movie, and if you enjoyed it then there's no point to try to bring that down, but both Gattaca and Contact were so much better in every way except for visuals. Contact was awesome for the 90's but can't keep up with visuals in 2014 special effects and Nolan's grand vision. He is very good at setting up grand and eye popping scenes for sure but didn't string them together to make an awesome movie.

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11-14-2014 , 02:41 AM
I agree that Nolan always misses the mark for me in terms of emotional content. He gets so close, and a lot of the ingredients are there, but there's something missing. His emotional scenes aren't contrived or overly-sentimental like a lot of Hollywood movies, but they're not genuinely moving either. It's weird. A lot of people in the industry call him "cold" and I can agree with that sentiment. He's amazing at creating style though, and it's almost guaranteed that there will be several incredible scenes in any one of his movies. Still one of my favorite directors and would never miss any of his movies.
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11-14-2014 , 02:45 AM
Btw, if you liked Interstellar and want to watch another space expedition movie with similar themes with much better visuals (and moving emotional scenes!), I highly suggest Sunshine. It's directed by Danny Boyle who claimed the movie was a love letter the psychonauts. It is my favorite movie and I still remember watching it high and being absolutely mesmerized by every scene. It's a beautiful beautiful movie and you owe it to yourself to only watch it on a big screen HDTV.
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11-14-2014 , 03:54 AM
Sunshine does not have much better visuals. It no way does deep space as well, it does really really close to the Sun but that is different.
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11-14-2014 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by O.A.F.K.1.1
Great Sci fi has a strong visceral element, it is supposed to use the medium of cinema to evoke wonder and awe, Interstellar does this in a way not even remotely attempted by the films you mention.

Just the one scene of the space craft framed against Saturn makes this a better film and thats ignoring the brilliant take off scene, and what I thought was an excellent scene on the water world amongst many others.

Obviously if the plot motivating these scenes is terrible then they will not impact in the same way as the viewer has not suspended critical distance.

However for me that was not the case.

Its a Hollywood film in which a man has to leave his daughter/family and fly to another Galaxy and save the human race from extinction.

Given the range of sentimentality possible in such a set up I felt this film fell towards the lower end of the spectrum and handled that basic premise deftly and interestingly all things considered. The lie about plan A, the fact that time became a recourse, etc etc. Yes it crossed the line of sentimentality a few times, but Hollywood gonna Hollywood. For me the only time it really let itself down was at the end when he flies off to link up with Hathaway.

It also has tons of nice touches, the moon landing being faked, the humour of the robot which is executed excellently with the human slaves line.

Which brings onto the fact that it has great robots. Not a single robot in Gattica. Or maybe there was, hard to tell as Gattica just like Contact is an entirely forgettable film.
Gattaca is so far beyond Interstellar that Interstellar cannot even see it. Gattaca is an 8, Interstellar is a 4. Nearly every event in Interstellar is predictable because it's derivative of other movies.
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