https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_N..._Square_Garden

Documentary short is well worth watching. It's only 6 minutes or so.

this is the best thread ever... I'm sure everything i could say has been said before, but damn so many interesting links in here

Stage antics of guys in this scene remind me of GG Allin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GG_Allin

Came across a mention of this in a recent podcast and have been fascinated by it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edith_Wilson

Woodrow Wilson had a stroke during his presidency and was left in some state of incapacity. For the last two years of his presidency, his wife essentially took on the role of President. This occurred even before women had the right to vote in the USA. Kind of shocking this isn't a movie already under today's Hollywood climate.

Rewatchables on Dave?

Reading his wiki kind of made me sick to my stomach. What possess people toact the way he did and live like he did? I'm sure it was more than just drugs but to think that other people would watch him perform is just jacked up.

Maybe his abusive upbringing had something to do with it. Just a wild theory, of course.

But then again, his Father did name him Jesus Christ because he thought HE had visited him and told him his son would be a messiah. In a twist that surprises no one at all, that very same father turns out to be an abusive husband and parent. Threatening his family with death and digging graves for them in their cellar, lol.

Not really a surprise that somebody with such an upbringing goes full Helsinki Syndrome.

Ya I get it but there is the whole Norwegian black metal scene that is just as screwed up. Who in their right mind is interested in doing the things they do and/or watching it? Who puts sheeps heads on stakes and has three naked dudes simulating crucifixion and then who wants to go to a concert to watch that? What is wrong with these people?

It's winter nine months out of the year. Makes you do crazy things

It's quite much just theatrics and a couple sheep heads and some mildly lolblasphemous performances are hardly anything compared to actual radical far-right violent activism, which is more or less prevalent in certain metal circles in many other countries.

Obviously it's annoying to get sprayed by blood or something silly like that when in a concert, but such antics are a very rare occurrance.


More Wikipedia links and less wimps and posers discussing matters they don't have a clue about, please!

They are pretty much exactly equal.

Now this band is really bad (as in Evil, capital E):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurd_(band)

What country are you from? BTW, calling people wimps and posers is a great touch.

Yeah, maybe if I didn't draw my entire education from 80s action movies, I'd call it Stockholm Syndrome. Die Hard (which I saw as a child and first heard of the phenomenon) called it Helsinki Syndrome and I can't for the life of me get it right if I don't concentrate on it consciously.

Leave the Hall!

Ya'll need to stop posting these because I can't help but to read them and click links, loosing a bit of my soul with each click.

There is a documentary that covers all this with extensive interviews with the remaining band members

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVlDiJ3lAY8

It is true. The metal scene that started in the late 80s and lasted until the late 90s was really something else. Look at old Mushroomhead (before they tried to make it), Gwar, Gentorturers, and others. Marilyn Manson was a watered-down version of what was found in small clubs. Sure, most fans of the genre weren't exactly bible-thumpers, but everyone was in on the joke.

The other side was very dark and often full of wild contradictions. I once attended a concert that, unbeknownst to us, was Christian screamo / metal. It was full of real-deal nazi skinheads and brutally violent. There was whole scene full of truly messed up people.

The majority of punkers and metal heads I met are the most down-to-earth and kindest people you'd ever meet. No bull****, but always full of positive energy. It's just a creative outlet and full of silly jokes poking fun at what we call normal society. If you approach it all from that, it starts to make sense.

With that said, if musicians are going to go out and be *******s, then whatever.

i keep picturing that nazi "concert" in american history x lol

100% exactly my experience.

The punkers and metal heads linked in the posts are not these type of people and I don't think the black metal scene would consider themselves punkers and metal heads. They are satanists. There is more than one instance of a band member being involved in murder and at least one instance of a band member murdering a homosexual just because. That's not the same as Kiss or Alice Cooper doing a stage act and leaving the persona on stage.

GG Allin (not really black metal it seems but nonetheless equally hell bent) said he would probably be a serial killer or mass murderer if not for doing what he was doing. For most that is probably all talk or a stage persona but for him I don't think that's the case. He probably would have been a serial killer.

I see it as people that ride Harleys. There are the weekend Harley riders (punkers and metal heads), then there are the outlaw 1%'ers.

I think you are quite unaware of what we mean by punkers and metal heads. The various groups are very much "into" each other's music. The binding ideal is the music and the fact that it's underground. It's not odd or out of place to see a punker at a goth show and it's not out of place to see a goth at a punker chick show. It wouldn't be out of place to see a punker at a death metal show or vice versa either.

The music from all those genres strongly influence each other. The line between a "satanic" death metal show and a punk show isn't as thick as you think it is. Regarding the "satanic" fans, I would venture to guess that they are a vast minority of the fan base. At least in my circles, being a satanist was looked down upon. In fact, if you saw someone wearing "satanic" jewelry, they would be very quick to inform you what those symbols actually meant.

Alice Cooper or Kiss are rock and roll. They have little to nothing to do with these genres. Alice Cooper in particular was quite vocal with his negative opinion. In any case, the music from either band doesn't have a strong presence on the scene.

Danzig released an album called 6:66 Satan's Child. They are not a satanic band at all. It's just kind of funny and stupid. Most people get that.

So this is like the WWE of music?