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03-18-2016 , 03:40 AM
Yeah^ lol at anyone who is not for executions.

I mean its not like they are killing innocent people.

It's not like mentally challenged people ever get killed.

It's not like some of the worst criminals plead out so they can't face the death penalty.

It's not like minorities get killed more often.

You would have to be a ****ing idiot to be against the death penalty. ****ing bleeding heart liberals, what kind of bull**** are they going to say next?

I could go on, I am so happy there is state sponsored executions!
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03-18-2016 , 06:22 AM
Lol at not understanding why people are philosophically against killing another human.
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03-18-2016 , 09:20 AM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawren...and_Roy_Norris

This duo was the worst I've heard about. Career criminals since childhood, and it only got worse.
Thanks for posting this. You ruined my day.

I think Alber Fish wins for most disturbing serial killer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

Just click on Murder of Grace Budd to get a quick idea of how screwed up this guy was.
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03-18-2016 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Thanks for posting this. You ruined my day.

I think Alber Fish wins for most disturbing serial killer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

Just click on Murder of Grace Budd to get a quick idea of how screwed up this guy was.
Sorry about that. I'll trust you on your claim. I start reading this stuff and then I stop reading when it describes the guy trying to stab a grocery clerk to death because he got caught stealing a steak from a supermarket.
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03-19-2016 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by the orange crush
Yeah^ lol at anyone who is not for executions.

I mean its not like they are killing innocent people.

It's not like mentally challenged people ever get killed.

It's not like some of the worst criminals plead out so they can't face the death penalty.

It's not like minorities get killed more often.

You would have to be a ****ing idiot to be against the death penalty. ****ing bleeding heart liberals, what kind of bull**** are they going to say next?

I could go on, I am so happy there is state sponsored executions!
The criminal justice system isn't supposed to support revenge. That is really the only purpose the death penalty serves.

1) It doesn't deter crime, most people who commit acts bad enough to receive the death penalty can not be deterred from committing that crime in the first place.

2) Death penalty cases cost substantially more money than a normal trial. Some states require death penalty cases go to trial so the person accused can not even plead guilty, they have to go to trial. Some states even require two trials, one to prove guilt, and one to prove that the aggravated factors outweigh the mitigating factors.. This costs the state a lot of money.. On top of that you have several years worth of appeals that the state has to pay for. I have even heard of cases where the convicted killer has just wanted to die and they don't let him. They make him appeal.

3) most death row inmates never get executed anyway. So it is just a lot of work for nothing.

So, what is the point?
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03-19-2016 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by daveT
Thanks for posting this. You ruined my day.

I think Alber Fish wins for most disturbing serial killer:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Fish

Just click on Murder of Grace Budd to get a quick idea of how screwed up this guy was.
I think I agree about albert fish. The dude is probably the creepiest person who has ever lived.

cliffs- he would babysit children, kill them, then leave a note with the parents describing in detail how it was done.
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03-19-2016 , 12:22 PM
Bittaker is way more disturbing than Fish to me. Fish was obviously a lunatic. Bittaker appears to be of sound mind and is just evil.

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Originally Posted by fraleyight
The criminal justice system isn't supposed to support revenge. That is really the only purpose the death penalty serves.

1) It doesn't deter crime, most people who commit acts bad enough to receive the death penalty can not be deterred from committing that crime in the first place.

2) Death penalty cases cost substantially more money than a normal trial. Some states require death penalty cases go to trial so the person accused can not even plead guilty, they have to go to trial. Some states even require two trials, one to prove guilt, and one to prove that the aggravated factors outweigh the mitigating factors.. This costs the state a lot of money.. On top of that you have several years worth of appeals that the state has to pay for. I have even heard of cases where the convicted killer has just wanted to die and they don't let him. They make him appeal.

3) most death row inmates never get executed anyway. So it is just a lot of work for nothing.

So, what is the point?
Yeah regardless of what you think about the ethics of the death penalty, either have it or don't. This bull**** halfway system where you have it but only after endless appeals that tie up the court system is the worst of all worlds.

If I was designing a system from scratch that included the death penalty I would have a higher tier of proof, above reasonable doubt, like "beyond question" or something. The judge and jury would have to unanimously agree that the guilt of the defendant was beyond question, whereupon the death penalty could be applied and would not be subject to appeal. In the Bittaker case they had audio tape of the defendants raping and torturing a young woman. Not a conviction liable to be overturned on appeal, so it's a joke that they can't just execute the guy the next day.
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03-19-2016 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens
Sorry about that. I'll trust you on your claim. I start reading this stuff and then I stop reading when it describes the guy trying to stab a grocery clerk to death because he got caught stealing a steak from a supermarket.
I don't blame. you. I was only able to read up until the second murder of what you submitted, and that was only after a few hour break. FML.

Elisa Lam.

A strange and creepy elevator footage from Cecil in downtown Los Angeles, already famous for murders and being a slum is the last time she was seen. After renters complained of low water pressure and strange-tasting water, her body was found in a sealed water tank on the roof of the hotel. LAPD ruled it as an accident. Be sure to click on the elevator footage in the article. :/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam
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03-19-2016 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fraleyight
The criminal justice system isn't supposed to support revenge.
Not looking to debate the issue, but the alter argument often boils down to wanting the criminal to be trapped in a world of no joy, constant fear, constant fights, loneliness, malnourishing food that is stolen off his plate, no sense of nature, and no freedom of choice. Some people want the criminal to live in a world where his only touch is from Bubba "the friendly rapist." This sentiment is sometimes summarized with "I want him to live and suffer as long as possible."

Sounds like revenge to me.

Like all subjects of morality, I think both sides are correct in their opinion and I honestly don't have many opinions on the death penalty per se.
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03-19-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by daveT
I don't blame. you. I was only able to read up until the second murder of what you submitted, and that was only after a few hour break. FML.

Elisa Lam.

A strange and creepy elevator footage from Cecil in downtown Los Angeles, already famous for murders and being a slum is the last time she was seen. After renters complained of low water pressure and strange-tasting water, her body was found in a sealed water tank on the roof of the hotel. LAPD ruled it as an accident. Be sure to click on the elevator footage in the article. :/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elisa_Lam
Oh man, this one is going to suck me in.

A guy on YouTube has mounted a very convincing case that the video has been edited prior to release.
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03-19-2016 , 01:27 PM
Just did some further reading. The elevator likely behaved the way it did because she pushed the "Door Hold" button at the bottom. She had bipolar and may have been manic or psychotic. The water tank wasn't "sealed", just had a (relatively heavy, it is true) lid on it. I'd say after she couldn't get the elevator to go, she went up all the fire escape stairs to the roof, was in a huge state of confusion, and tried to hide inside the water tank. IDK why the video was edited but probably just to remove like a minute of footage where nothing happened.
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03-19-2016 , 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Bittaker is way more disturbing than Fish to me. Fish was obviously a lunatic. Bittaker appears to be of sound mind and is just evil.



Yeah regardless of what you think about the ethics of the death penalty, either have it or don't. This bull**** halfway system where you have it but only after endless appeals that tie up the court system is the worst of all worlds.

If I was designing a system from scratch that included the death penalty I would have a higher tier of proof, above reasonable doubt, like "beyond question" or something. The judge and jury would have to unanimously agree that the guilt of the defendant was beyond question, whereupon the death penalty could be applied and would not be subject to appeal. In the Bittaker case they had audio tape of the defendants raping and torturing a young woman. Not a conviction liable to be overturned on appeal, so it's a joke that they can't just execute the guy the next day.
+1, that is honestly the biggest problem to me. It isn't necessarily the moral aspect of killing a human being. It is that the death sentence more often than not is just sentencing someone to life in prison with guaranteed appeals being filed costing the state a butt load of money.
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03-19-2016 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
Just did some further reading. The elevator likely behaved the way it did because she pushed the "Door Hold" button at the bottom. She had bipolar and may have been manic or psychotic. The water tank wasn't "sealed", just had a (relatively heavy, it is true) lid on it. I'd say after she couldn't get the elevator to go, she went up all the fire escape stairs to the roof, was in a huge state of confusion, and tried to hide inside the water tank. IDK why the video was edited but probably just to remove like a minute of footage where nothing happened.
Ah, yeah, you are right. I wrote my post from memory. For further reference:

The investigation had determined how Lam died, but did not offer an explanation as to how she got into the tank in the first place. Doors and stairs that access the hotel's roof are locked, with only staff having the passcodes and keys, and any attempt to force them would supposedly have triggered an alarm. However, the hotel's fire escape could have allowed her to bypass those security measures, if she (or someone who might have accompanied her there) had known.

Apart from the question of how she got on the roof, others asked if she could have gotten into the tank by herself. All four tanks are 4-by-8-foot (1.2 by 2.4 m) cylinders propped up on concrete blocks; there is no fixed access to them and hotel workers had to use a ladder to look at the water. They are protected by heavy lids that would be difficult to replace from within.


Just super strange.

I'm also trying to think of what that area was like in 2013. Downtown LA went through a fast and massive upheaval around those years, but I know the Cecil was a pretty ****ty hotel, and the neighborhood, while changing, is still quite rough. During that time, the hotel was a week-to-week rental property, mixing backpackers with the local druggies. There was more than one story of craziness and the Cecil was, more often than not, the epicenter. The hotel was wide-open with no real security to speak of, which made is different than other weekly hotels, which made the Cecil worse because it is on the corner of 7th Street and Main, an area that is dangerous during broad daylight. I'm a little lost on the details, but I either LA banned the short-term rentals or short-term rentals simply stopped in the entire area.

When we talk about LA Skid Row, we aren't talking about a group of homeless people chatting passerbys and passively begging for change. We are talking about the worst of the worst, a place where prisons and mental institutions dropped off the just-released, and the Crips had a strangle-hold on the area until only a few years ago. It was a seriously dangerous place, and still is in many ways. 7th and Main wasn't a place I'd voluntarily go to that often.

source: lived in downtown LA for quite a few years.
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03-20-2016 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by JayTeeMe
lol anti-death penalty people.
Admittedly this was a terrible post to make itt but those toolbox guys sent my lawnmower into trans-Neptunian orbit
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03-20-2016 , 04:03 AM
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Admittedly this was a terrible post to make itt but those toolbox guys sent my lawnmower into trans-Neptunian orbit
You're not the first one. I mentioned that a 17-minute audio tape of the rape and torture of one of their victims exists, and was played to the jury. It's now housed at the FBI and apparently is used to desensitize agents who have to work on similar cases to the horrors of their jobs.

When Scott Glenn was prepping for his part as Jack Crawford in Silence of the Lambs, he visited FBI profiler Jack Douglas who gave him a tour around the place. Douglas said "if you really want to enter my world, listen to this tape". Before listening Glenn was a death penalty opponent, afterwards he was in tears and a death penalty supporter.

I found old NBC footage of people exiting the courtroom during/after the tape is being played. There were people who showed up to listen to it just because of its notoriety. There was a DA there not even working on the case who had worked plenty of murders etc and he was sitting on the floor in tears. Don't think people who showed up for a casual listen knew what they were getting themselves into.

I haven't looked for the actual tape, because I'm fine not hearing that, thanks all the same.
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03-20-2016 , 04:37 AM
I have read a transcript and it's bad ,unbelievably bad.

I won't go in detail. But I do with understand why people would want these monsters killed after listening to it. It did not change my stance on the death penalty. But right after reading I would have had them killed if it was in my power.

If you are intrigued by this kind of stuff I would still advise to not search for it.

Last edited by donjonnie; 03-20-2016 at 04:46 AM.
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03-20-2016 , 04:50 AM
Yeah I kinda skimmed the transcript, the written word doesn't affect me so much, I'm betting listening to it would be like 10x worse.
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03-21-2016 , 06:18 AM
I do think btw that if listening to a tape like that changes your stance on the death penalty, then it's proof you hadn't really thought things through. It's kinda like when anti-gay religious types wind up having gay relatives and then are all "you guys, it turns out gay people are just people, who knew?".

My position on the death penalty is that I'm all for guys like Bittaker dying and would be perfectly happy to shoot him in the head myself (not for revenge but just because he's a waste of money and oxygen) but that there are a hell of a lot of practical problems in actually implementing the death penalty, and that policy should not be based on fringe cases. I don't think listening to the tape would change that.
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03-21-2016 , 06:30 AM
Well right. Death penalty in theory vs death penalty in practice are two totally different things. For sure let's not get rid of the death penalty until after that guy gets killed.
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03-29-2016 , 10:58 AM
Battle of Karánsebes

A possibly fake account of Austria -vs- The Ottomans that didn't quite go as planned. A bit of a spat over alcohol ended with Austria fighting its own army, leaving 10,000 dead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes
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03-29-2016 , 11:53 AM
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Admittedly this was a terrible post to make itt but those toolbox guys sent my lawnmower into trans-Neptunian orbit
Have you read the transcript of the audiotape that Ray guy would play to his victims when he first kidnapped them? Its the most horrifying thing Ive ever read.
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04-01-2016 , 05:06 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Cent_Beer_Night

in honor of opening day coming soon
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04-01-2016 , 09:35 PM
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Have you read the transcript of the audiotape that Ray guy would play to his victims when he first kidnapped them? Its the most horrifying thing Ive ever read.
Ray Guy the hall of fame punter was a serial killer??
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04-01-2016 , 09:53 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Cent_Beer_Night

in honor of opening day coming soon
One of my favourite podcasts did a very funny episode on this.

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04-01-2016 , 10:02 PM
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Ray Guy the hall of fame punter was a serial killer??
lololololololol
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