It's not just that. By going outside to forge a kinky summer tan, our good friend OP is potentially picking up some sort of confidence building interest or sport as well as finding himself in the company of organic women who are just waiting to be asked out on dates.

the whole tan thing lol, swear these tan/laundry/gym are the main investors in jersey shore!
Nah serious tho tbf, live in england and 'lads' are more and more starting to get fake tan. A lot of the guys do banter other people who have a tan but girls generally prefer it i think.
If you think its going to make youself look stupid, dont get one. If you think you quite like the look of a tan, get one. Will build your confidence up

MDMA is the fast track route to success. Just a little bit if you're not used to it. If you take a small amount, (so you're not totally off in your own world) before long you'll be skankin' and grindin' in clubs. It honestly helps more introverted people become extroverts. Believe.

Tan does matter. Not nearly as much as your mouthpiece, but it helps. Every dude looks better with a tan except maybe some Twilight dudes.

You don't need a fake tan. Just go lay out a few days in a row.

It's annoying that people are telling him to "be confident". It doesn't work that way. Telling an awkward person to be confident doesn't produce results.

Specific things that might help

1. Don't be first one to break eye contact
2. Don't smile or laugh a lot.
3. Don't act that interested or show a lot of emotion. monotone.
4. When starting a sentence, look around the room acting disinterested in the subject, then after 4-5 seconds kind of bug your eyes out and repeat step 1 continuing with what you're saying. Try not to blink.
5. Try to sound a tinge like a black guy when you're talking.
6. When trying to be funny, make fun of her in an obviously sarcastic tone, but don't laugh or smile
7. Don't ever ask a girl to dinner or a movie. If you want to hang out with her, don't phrase it as a question. Try to do this while giving the illusion that you don't care about whether she says yes or not.
"bitch let's go rockclimbing"
or something

This can give off the impression that you're confident, and its plausible for an awkward person after a bit of practice because you don't have to feign outgoingness. It's not the most effective % wise, but it gets you laid more than other methods imo.

Off course tan matters. So does clothes, hygiene, monies, fast cars, a ripped body, nice hair and a big dong. It's all part of making you attractive. But it wont help much if you can't actually feel comfortable around girls. Just go talk or hang with a bunch of chicks, after a while (weeks, months) you'll feel a lot more confident around them and girls notice that. All of the sudden you're this awesome fella.

This is bad advice because it does not suggest you're outgoing. Most girls like outgoing guys, and smiling and laughing will make the girl do the same more often. Oh, and act interested but not overly so. This is vague, I know, but basically don't be clingy. NEVER BE CLINGY!

This is bad advice because girls can very often take it the wrong way. Trust me, i've tried it a lot. I say a lot of my jokes in a deadpan manner with people who know me well, but with girls i've made a concious effort to make it obvious i'm joking, without necessarily saying 'i'm joking'.


This is ridiculous. At this point i'm wondering if you're levelling, but a couple of your points are spot on, and obvious.


Don't say bitch. Some girls won't like it. I agree with your point about not going out for dinner, at least on the first date.

Ps. I'm not trying to troll, I just think that some of the points will drive this guy down a really weird lane......

So I read that thread by bond and I really like what he said about shorter guys working out since girls want guys to be a physical presence. I'm probably gonna hit the gym tomorrow to get this rolling and hoping it'll build my confidence. I'm in ok shape. I weigh about 135 and can bench 165 about 6 times on a good day, squat 215 about 5 or 6 times, and I can do 10-12 pullups in a row. All free weights obv. Even though I feel like all these figures are respectable, I've always had kind of a small frame and I just don't look that big. Like my chest is terrible. I feel like I'm working out only my arms sometimes when I do any type of press. I feel like I'm built more like a gymnast. Like I can do a back tuck easily and can do a lot of body weight stuff easily but I just don't look physically imposing at all.

Do you guys have any suggestions? Should I lift heavier, fewer reps, and eat a lot more? I haven't been eating a lot recently because I was trying to get more cut. Perhaps that's what my problem is. I know this isn't the most important thing I should be focusing on, but I am gonna hit the gym tomorrow and I thought it would be nice to have a more specific workout goal in mind. Let me know what you think! Thanks!

SS+GOMAD LDO

The advice makes the most sense for awkward people. Awkward people come off as especially awkward when laughing or trying too hard to make a connection. Also, If you use this method it sets you up to be the dominant person if it works, which is usually virtually impossible for an awkward dude. As an added bonus it works best with good looking girls. Ugly girls will just think you're mean, they're not used to being showered with positive attention.
Maybe it's hard to execute, dunno. I've always thought it simultaneously gave off a friendly and dominant vibe.
When being monotone, it's hard to sound confident. Adding a tinge of back guy gives you the necessary swag and it's a key element. It's important not to overtly sound like a wigger, though. Really it's more about mentality than anything

The bitch thing was not serious, but being slightly deprecating in tone is ok.

Basically just ask yourself what would Josh Freeman do, I think that's the type of black guy our golfer friend has in mind.

better late than never OP, go get 'em tiger!

too easy

just say you havent been in anything too serious. outing yourself too fast is a really bad play. unless you're like 18 they shouldn't even be asking you about that stuff, girls wise up when they get a little older because it's not like they want you asking them about all the dudes they've ****ed. hey just reread you're 25, it won't come up until you're in a serious relationship which I don't think you should be aiming for at all right now. How do you know what you like/want if you haven't sampled anything?

I'll try out a bunch of stuff while focusing on being confident and light at the same time. I can see merit in both arguments and it'll really depend on the situation and what I can realistically pull off at the time imo. I have tried the no smiling thing before and I think it really depends on how I do it. You can have an expression on your face that looks disinterested and rude sometimes and that doesn't really work for me because I feel like the girl will think, 'who does this short guy think he is?' I think having a mixture of confidence and uncommon kindness might work for me. So basically I wanna be really versatile and be able to joke, be sarcastic and perhaps even say something crude occasionally, while always having my behavior rooted in confidence, humility, and kindness.

Hopefully I'm not overthinking it. lol.

Cool thread, i think it could be intresting to see how this goes and hopefully it will help you and others too.

I Remember having such kinds of questions awhile ago. I dont have that kind of experience you had. I was always kinda outgoing and people (girls too) usually like me. My problem was the next step, actually building some kind of rapport which would lead to sex and more.

First of all, i want to tell you this : great step you took there to realize you have a problem and start to work on it. I can't ****ing imagine that i spent all these years just ****ting my pants and feeling sorry for myself while i could've just opened an internet page and look for some freakin' help.

There is a LOT of free stuff around the internet. Really, a LOT. Don't go and pay for any PUA special training, i don't think it will ever be worth it, although i myself never tried it.

A lot of good advice can be found on the internet. Some very basic (be confident, dont ever look down when talking to a girl, don't be cheesy in a bad way, don't look desperate) but also some very good specific ones.

I also think that it's important to be somewhat prepared. My biggest fear was (and still is) the opening. To go and open a discussion with a total stranger, i just struggle with it so hard. But i've read and looked at so many ways to do it that i have a ton of ideas when i walk towards someone to open, and literaly just pick the funniest that comes to my mind on the walk. Usually, seriously, the stupidest, the better. I've seen that video where dudes would go to talk to chicks in mall opening with "do you have AIDS ? No ? Cool, me neither" and go from there. Wtf, how simple and stupid is that ?

Point is, it works. I personnaly like to be a bit prepared. Im afraid of blanks, so it helps me. So i suggest you googling "PUA forum" or stuff like that, and read all the free material you can find. You'll sort it all out yourself and will pick up on what you think would fit your personnality.

One last thing. I've read ITT someone talking about impersonating a star/singer or w/e when first meeting with girls. I actually do that all the time, didnt realize other ppl also do it. I personnaly like to impersonate Liam Gallagher's attitude. May be a total DB fo a lot of you, but just look how by just standing there not moving or just walking on the street, that guy captures everyone's attention. It's a great model for just trying to have a presence wherever you go. Take it or leave it, i found that very helpful for myself, might not fit to anyone's personnality tho.

And most of all, have fun, dont be discouraged, keep going at it, it WILL pay. Period. Good luck

Just wondering where you plan on asking girls out? as in clubs when you're with friends or just hitting on anything you see like in the videos.
Anyway some good advice in this thread, best of luck!