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07-21-2011 , 11:29 PM

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fraleyight

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There is a man awaiting trial for sexually abusing children and video taping the abuse. he has decided to exercise his sixth amendment right and defend himself.

he is of course allowed to review all the evidence in this case including the video tapes he has made with the victims.

here is a link of the news story.

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-loop...0,169128.story

j/c what everyone thinks about this.

should we always be allowed (even in circumstances like this) to exercise our amendment rights?

should there be a case when we say no?

i will share my opinions after others answer.

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07-21-2011 , 11:30 PM

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ShopliftUserName

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07-21-2011 , 11:38 PM

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Not worth a thread and this is basically a politics issue so get out.

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07-21-2011 , 11:39 PM

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He's innocent until proven guilty. We shouldn't start stripping people of rights merely because they're accused of a crime. If he's competent to stand trial, there's no way around this. They're not letting him look at this stuff unsupervised, so that's a good measure being taken, but that's as much as can reasonably be done.

Last edited by LKJ; 07-21-2011 at 11:40 PM. Reason: But stabn is right about this being a politics type of thread.

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07-21-2011 , 11:42 PM

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He's innocent until proven guilty. We shouldn't start stripping people of rights merely because they're accused of a crime. If he's competent to stand trial, there's no way around this. They're not letting him look at this stuff unsupervised, so that's a good measure being taken, but that's as much as can reasonably be done.

i think videos of him sexually abusing children are enough evidence to prove him guilty.

whole justice system is a waste of money. you could see the videos and throw this guy in jail within hours yet it somehow takes months. there needs to be a large injection of common sense

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07-21-2011 , 11:47 PM

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i think videos of him sexually abusing children are enough evidence to prove him guilty.

whole justice system is a waste of money. you could see the videos and throw this guy in jail within hours yet it somehow takes months. there needs to be a large injection of common sense

It'll pass out of the body through urine anyway. That's how fleeting common sense is.

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07-21-2011 , 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by dkgojackets

i think videos of him sexually abusing children are enough evidence to prove him guilty.

whole justice system is a waste of money. you could see the videos and throw this guy in jail within hours yet it somehow takes months. there needs to be a large injection of common sense

Sure. In most cases where there's enough to charge someone, he's probably guilty, and almost certainly in this case. However, even really ironclad things like damning video evidence, confessions, etc., are not enough if the police and prosecution don't do their jobs properly.

While I completely agree that the system is needlessly slow, people should still get due process if we're going to incarcerate them.

It is what it is; it's a flawed system, but a flawless system doesn't exist.

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07-21-2011 , 11:49 PM

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Omar Comin

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Smart guy.

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07-21-2011 , 11:49 PM

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Article says courts have ruled specifically w/ regard to the lawyers being able to review child porn, he's his lawyer, and that's that. I'm more upset that the state prosecutes after he's already convicted in Federal court which is a huge waste of money, detective agrees.

Countdown to this thread being deleted or moved in 3.....2....1....

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07-21-2011 , 11:51 PM

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LKJ

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I went back to the forum front page and saw that the thread beneath this was titled "The 100 greatest fappers of all time."

Of course, that's not actually the thread title, but I was sure caught off-guard for a moment.

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07-22-2011 , 12:14 AM

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Its probably one of those things he didn't even think about until they made a big deal out of it.

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07-22-2011 , 12:17 AM

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ok, sorry guys i figured this would be the best place for this thread.

feel free mods to move or delete if you think its not worth discussion.

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07-22-2011 , 12:17 AM

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Fine with me. He's locked up and ain't gettin out (I'd guess). If he gets off one last time by abusing his rights, whatever.

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07-22-2011 , 12:38 AM

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should we always be allowed (even in circumstances like this) to exercise our amendment rights?

Lol

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07-22-2011 , 12:58 AM

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Club Ped?

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07-22-2011 , 01:05 AM

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i think child pornography should be legal, age of consent and statutory crimes and whatever are silly.

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07-22-2011 , 01:27 AM

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The prestigious law offices of OOT, Wikipedia and Someone Told Me This Sometime.

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07-22-2011 , 01:45 AM

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Lol

i dont know if your laughing at the way i worded this or if your laughing at the ? itself....

if your laughing at the ? youd be surprised how many people feel he shouldnt be allowed to do this.

if your laughing at the way i worded it im happy i could amuse you

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07-22-2011 , 02:09 AM

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I went back to the forum front page and saw that the thread beneath this was titled "The 100 greatest fappers of all time."

Of course, that's not actually the thread title, but I was sure caught off-guard for a moment.

I've got to be a clear front runner for this.

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07-22-2011 , 02:11 AM

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I eat maggots like you for breakfast, and wipe my ass with the Constitution before lunchtime.

What was the question again?

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07-22-2011 , 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

i dont know if your laughing at the way i worded this or if your laughing at the ? itself....

if your laughing at the ? youd be surprised how many people feel he shouldnt be allowed to do this.

if your laughing at the way i worded it im happy i could amuse you

The question itself

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should we always be allowed (even in circumstances like this) to exercise our amendment rights?

The answer is so clearly yes that no one should need to ask the question. The whole point of the constitution and the various amendments is that the rights apply to everyone and are entrenched in law.

The expression "hard cases make bad law" should have been linked as the first reply and the thread locked, buried under a tonne of concrete then nuked from orbit.

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07-22-2011 , 02:31 AM

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The question itself

The answer is so clearly yes that no one should need to ask the question. The whole point of the constitution and the various amendments is that the rights apply to everyone and are entrenched in law.

i agree with you completely i have just noticed a lot of people dont, that is why i opened it for disucussion. so for some perhaps it is not as easy a question as you might suspect.

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07-22-2011 , 02:45 AM

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ShopliftUserName

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Originally Posted by gder402

i think child pornography should be legal, age of consent and statutory crimes and whatever are silly.

I mean, I hate to be the dumbass that doesn't get levels, but this is a level right? If not wtf?

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07-22-2011 , 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by ShopliftUserName

I mean, I hate to be the dumbass that doesn't get levels, but this is a level right? If not wtf?

I get the sense that's a very borderline post.

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07-22-2011 , 02:53 AM

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Originally Posted by fraleyight

i agree with you completely i have just noticed a lot of people dont, that is why i opened it for disucussion. so for some perhaps it is not as easy a question as you might suspect.

Those people are reacting emotionally and are the types who only respect the Constitution when it's immediately convenient to them. There really is little more to it.

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