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Old 04-08-2012, 03:19 PM   #91
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.

SCOTUS justices and an experienced veteran criminal defense attorney have explained why you guys are wrong. if they can't manage to make you see the obvious i'm pretty sure i won't be able to either. gg.
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:46 PM   #92
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.

To my mind it seems that involving a lawyer has the effect of reducing variance, of course you may not have the very good out comes that may come from having an informal chat with a police office - but you won't have the very bad outcome where any responses actually inadvertently incriminate yourself in some way.
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:50 PM   #93
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To my mind it seems that involving a lawyer has the effect of reducing variance, of course you may not have the very good out comes that may come from having an informal chat with a police office - but you won't have the very bad outcome where any responses actually inadvertently incriminate yourself in some way.
If you didn't actually do anything then it is pretty difficult to incriminate yourself.
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:51 PM   #94
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If you didn't actually do anything then it is pretty difficult to incriminate yourself.
Lol.
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Old 04-08-2012, 03:58 PM   #95
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according to that defense attorney/law school professor, 100% of people are too stupid too evaluate the situation properly. this is because they don't have all the information that the police have.
In my hypo it's the POLICE that don't have all of the information and once they check out my alibi that's going to be the end of the matter for me.

btw: If 100% of people are too stupid to evaluate the situation properly why bother hiring a lawyer at all?

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Old 04-08-2012, 03:59 PM   #96
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SCOTUS justices and an experienced veteran criminal defense attorney have explained why you guys are wrong. if they can't manage to make you see the obvious i'm pretty sure i won't be able to either. gg.
If it's obvious why are you unable to defend the view without appeals to authority?
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:10 PM   #97
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.

Having read the context under which Justice Jackson makes the statement relied on by the do not talk to cops side -- the speaker in the video intentionally misrepresents the sentiment that Justice Jackson was trying to convey.
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:14 PM   #98
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If it's obvious why are you unable to defend the view without appeals to authority?
the view has been defended. like i said, if you aren't able to understand it, i can't help any further without requiring a fee of some kind for my time. say...ehem, $100.00
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:16 PM   #99
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Frankly, I'm shocked that the advice of a lawyer would be to never talk to the cops without a lawyer.
Most cops wil tell you the same
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Old 04-08-2012, 04:26 PM   #100
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the view has been defended. like i said, if you aren't able to understand it, i can't help any further without requiring a fee of some kind for my time. say...ehem, $100.00
I don't think you know what defended means. One guy making a video presenting why he thinks something is true doesn't establish anything. Maybe if it was a debate where both sides were argued and one side clearly one the debate then maybe some claims could be made. That though is not what we have here -- what we have here is a really bad argument presented unchallenged.
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he's a dirty cop, phoenix.
Actually I'm both fresh and clean Tsao. And you know that.

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Frankly, I'm shocked that the advice of a lawyer would be to never talk to the cops without a lawyer.
Shocking turn of events ITT

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i can't help any further without requiring a fee of some kind for my time. say...ehem, $100.00
You're a cheap, cheap whore of a lawyer Tsao.
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:33 PM   #102
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I don't think you know what defended means. One guy making a video presenting why he thinks something is true doesn't establish anything. Maybe if it was a debate where both sides were argued and one side clearly one the debate then maybe some claims could be made. That though is not what we have here -- what we have here is a really bad argument presented unchallenged.
every criticism you and max have made has been refuted in the video. you are challenging his arguments in ways he expected and addressed in the video. like i said, if you can't understand his explanations wtf do you want me to do about it?
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Old 04-08-2012, 05:51 PM   #103
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He told me straight up how he found me - found my mom under my contacts, called her
pretty sure this is the point my mother freaks out, drops the phone, and passes out thinking that I'm dead
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It is very rare that someone with absolutely no involvement is being questioned by the police and as a group criminals are not very bright. The never talk advice is rooted in the fact that both those conditions are almost always true. That doesn't change the fact that there are times where it is clearly advantageous to cooperate.
If you have no involvement and are being talked to by the police then if anything such a situation being rare makes it more important not to talk to the police.
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Old 04-08-2012, 06:03 PM   #105
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every criticism you and max have made has been refuted in the video. you are challenging his arguments in ways he expected and addressed in the video. like i said, if you can't understand his explanations wtf do you want me to do about it?
Actually no. I'm sorry you are too dense to understand this but he actually does not address any of my criticisms. That video was 48 minutes of drivel where he takes the obvious position that dumb criminals should not talk to the police and through some horrible logic and terrible reasoning tries to make it a universal rule that no one should ever cooperate with the police.

He further never gives a single example of when an innocent mentally sound person talking to the police led to them getting in trouble. For both speakers all the examples-- and they have plenty-- involved criminals who talk to the police and incriminate themselves. If it was so common for innocent people to incriminate themselves you'd think they would include at least one example but they don't. The only example they have of someone who was innocent incriminating themselves involves someone who is mentally ill.

Lastly Duane intentionally misstates the position of Justice Jackson so as to support his position when if you actually look at the statement in the context in which it was stated it does not mean what Duane wants people to believe it means. That leads to the question of is he dishonest or a moron. I'm leaning strongly toward dishonest since the misappropriate quote adds sensationalism and this video is just a desperate attempt at getting notoriety.
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