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04-09-2012, 07:59 PM
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2+2 Resident Enforcer
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
From a police perspective, alot of the current conversation is really unnecessary anyway, as cops are typically aware people think like this and in situations such as missing children etc, they're not going to open with vague questioning unless you are a suspect.
In the neighborhood canvassing I've participated in it went like this:
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Hello, my name is DBJ. Do you have a minute to assist us with a missing child investigation?
Then I hand them the photograph ask if they've seen anything.
This works on multiple levels, because it disarms the innocent parties while at the same time making anyone guilty nervous as hell.
As for the vague, general "Have you been in Portland?" stuff, 90% of the time, if cops are randomly asking vague, open ended questions of you, you can safely assume you're suspected of something in my experience.
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04-09-2012, 07:59 PM
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#377
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old hand
Join Date: Apr 2009
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
You still haven't answered how people would know if they are a suspect, technically there is always some tiny possibility which brings us right back to where we were before with "never talk".
Sounds like a ploy to spread paranoia and get people to pay for attorneys they don't need. There's a nonzero chance I could be hit with stray gunfire while walking but I'm not going to buy a bulletproof vest.
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I agree. I presume when the police do door to door enquiries when a kid goes missing everyone is a suspect to a certain extent. Where on earth would we be if everyone refused to cooperate and waited for a lawyer? More importantly where would the kid be!?
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04-09-2012, 08:03 PM
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#378
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by crashjr
Henry, do you think it is SOP for a police sergeant to try to reunite a person with lost property?
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The one call from an from an authority figure that started like that was an attempt to return a lost wallet that a friend had lost while we were on vacation many years ago. The wallet was turned in to the marine police and they tracked him down to inform him of this. I have no idea if this is standard procedure or not.
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
Everyone seems desperate to save a couple hundred bucks by contacting a lawyer, when their liberty is possibly at risk...I really don't get it.
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It isn't about saving money -- it is that we are not crazy.
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04-09-2012, 08:05 PM
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#379
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DKGOAT
Join Date: May 2006
Location: down a back road blowin stop signs
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
From a police perspective, alot of the current conversation is really unnecessary anyway, as cops are typically aware people think like this and in situations such as missing children etc, they're not going to open with vague questioning unless you are a suspect.
In the neighborhood canvassing I've participated in it went like this:
 oor Opens:
Hello, my name is DBJ. Do you have a minute to assist us with a missing child investigation?
Then I hand them the photograph ask if they've seen anything.
This works on multiple levels, because it disarms the innocent parties while at the same time making anyone guilty nervous as hell.
As for the vague, general "Have you been in Portland?" stuff, 90% of the time, if cops are randomly asking vague, open ended questions of you, you can safely assume you're suspected of something in my experience.
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Since you are asking both witnesses and possibly guilty parties the same thing, by lawyer logic I still wouldn't know if I was 100% clear and thus should respond "let me talk to my attorney first"
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04-09-2012, 08:13 PM
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#380
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sweatshop Fantasy Camp
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
As for the vague, general "Have you been in Portland?" stuff, 90% of the time, if cops are randomly asking vague, open ended questions of you, you can safely assume you're suspected of something in my experience.
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The question isn't vague in the open-ended sense used to get people talking and saying stuff. It is vague in the sense that being in Portland is not as specific as were you at Applebee's on Tuesday night around 8pm.
Confirming you were in the city of Portland is harmless. The police officer already knows you were in Portland and if by some lottery freakish odds you end up charged with something no defence you mount will involve denying that you were in the city of Portland. No one has yet explained how confirming that you were in Portland can be damaging.
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04-09-2012, 08:16 PM
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#381
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veteran
Join Date: Mar 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
From a police perspective, alot of the current conversation is really unnecessary anyway, as cops are typically aware people think like this and in situations such as missing children etc, they're not going to open with vague questioning unless you are a suspect.
In the neighborhood canvassing I've participated in it went like this:
 oor Opens:
Hello, my name is DBJ. Do you have a minute to assist us with a missing child investigation?
Then I hand them the photograph ask if they've seen anything.
This works on multiple levels, because it disarms the innocent parties while at the same time making anyone guilty nervous as hell.
As for the vague, general "Have you been in Portland?" stuff, 90% of the time, if cops are randomly asking vague, open ended questions of you, you can safely assume you're suspected of something in my experience.
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what about the post right before yours?
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04-09-2012, 08:23 PM
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#382
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2+2 Resident Enforcer
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
What about it?
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04-09-2012, 08:23 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by syncmaster
Okay, if your stance is you should never talk to cops unless your the victim or an obviously safe witness, why didn't you just say that in the first place? That's great, because that makes you a perfect person to help out with my main point of posting ITT.
If you would never put yourself at risk by talking to police, then you should expect and be fine with no one helping you out if your the victim..
Are you honestly going to tell me if your house was broken into, you would be fine with the neighbor who was home all day not talking to cops? If you were kidnapped you would be fine with the neighbors taking 48hrs to lawyer up first?
That is my whole point.. Its scary to think that when I actually need someone to step up and help me, I might find out its you.
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You are obviously very simple if you don't understand what I have repeatedly stated...if there is a possibility you are suspected of having committed a crime, follow the advice of your lawyer, which will more than likely be, "do not answer any questions".
If i was kidnapped and my neighbour hadn't done it, but was suspected of having done it, I'd be absolutely fine with him/her obtaining legal advice. I'd want the Police to find the kidnapper, not falsely accuse my neighbour and in the meantime something dreadful happens to me.
If you want to gamble with your liberty and save a few bucks, that's a matter for you. Prisons are full of people just like you.
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04-09-2012, 08:29 PM
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#384
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by syncmaster
Another thing to think about..
Is a lawyer telling to that you need a lawyer any different than a car salesman telling you that you need a new car?
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Ummm...I don't think anyone needs professional advice as to whether or not they "need" a new car and I doubt anyone's liberty is at stake based on a decision about a car...this "analogy" is ridiculous beyond belief.
If a lawyer was dishonest and wanted to make money out of you, he'd tell you to talk, and then he'd be able to represent you in Court after you're charged and make some money out of you. You don't get to bill much to say "exercise your right to silence".
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04-09-2012, 08:31 PM
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#385
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by dkgojackets
You still haven't answered how people would know if they are a suspect, technically there is always some tiny possibility which brings us right back to where we were before with "never talk".
Sounds like a ploy to spread paranoia and get people to pay for attorneys they don't need. There's a nonzero chance I could be hit with stray gunfire while walking but I'm not going to buy a bulletproof vest.
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Actually, it sounds like you're the paranoid one if you think that experienced criminal defence lawyers, honest cops, and Judges all advise people to not speak to police as some sort of conspiracy to make some money from you.
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04-09-2012, 08:34 PM
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#386
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Smokin crack til stars comes back
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by DblBarrelJ
As for the vague, general "Have you been in Portland?" stuff, 90% of the time, if cops are randomly asking vague, open ended questions of you, you can safely assume you're suspected of something in my experience.
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Ok you see where this is going. At what point do I refuse to answer questions? Remembering that I didn't do anything wrong.
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04-09-2012, 08:35 PM
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#387
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by Henry17
The question isn't vague in the open-ended sense used to get people talking and saying stuff. It is vague in the sense that being in Portland is not as specific as were you at Applebee's on Tuesday night around 8pm.
Confirming you were in the city of Portland is harmless. The police officer already knows you were in Portland and if by some lottery freakish odds you end up charged with something no defence you mount will involve denying that you were in the city of Portland. No one has yet explained how confirming that you were in Portland can be damaging.
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Actually, I have...but you're so thick it's gone over your head.
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04-09-2012, 08:37 PM
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#388
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by Henry17
The one call from an from an authority figure that started like that was an attempt to return a lost wallet that a friend had lost while we were on vacation many years ago. The wallet was turned in to the marine police and they tracked him down to inform him of this. I have no idea if this is standard procedure or not.
It isn't about saving money -- it is that we are not crazy.
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If you're stupid enough to think you are smarter than experienced criminal defence lawyers, police and Judges and refuse to follow their advice when being questioned by police, then frankly, you are crazy, or at the very least incredibly stupid.
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04-09-2012, 08:41 PM
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#389
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centurion
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by crashjr
Ok you see where this is going. At what point do I refuse to answer questions? Remembering that I didn't do anything wrong.
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Doesn't matter if you did anything wrong or not...no harm in saying to the Police officer, can I please have your contact details and my lawyer will call you, or asking him to call your lawyer. Better safe than sorry.
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04-09-2012, 08:47 PM
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#390
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Sweatshop Fantasy Camp
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Re: 'I talked/didn't talk to the cops.' Your story.
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
If you're stupid enough to think you are smarter than experienced criminal defence lawyers, police and Judges and refuse to follow their advice when being questioned by police, then frankly, you are crazy, or at the very least incredibly stupid.
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If you mean paranoid delusional individuals like yourself then yes I do think I am smarter and feel perfectly comfortable disregarding their advice. Despite your claims no non-crazy lawyer would say that someone should refuse to answer the question were you in Portland.
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