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04-09-2012 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydub
Where incredible amount of trouble is defined as missing a meeting and not 25 years in prison.

I'm pretty shocked the negative freeroll concept hasn't pretty well ended the thread, sure we had henry being henry, but even setting that abortion aside, it seems the general principle really hasn't been accepted.
The 'incredible amount of trouble' could be some period of time in jail but, nm, I'm not going to push it. If folks want to involve a lawyer at the first sign of trouble that's ok w/ me. I just started the thread to get stories, the discussion is secondary to my purpose.
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04-09-2012 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jaydub
Where incredible amount of trouble is defined as missing a meeting and not 25 years in prison.

I'm pretty shocked the negative freeroll concept hasn't pretty well ended the thread, sure we had henry being henry, but even setting that abortion aside, it seems the general principle really hasn't been accepted.
+1
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04-09-2012 , 02:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
I would only be insulted if I actually played those limits.
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I actually didn't realize that some lawyers didn't know the difference between your and you're either...
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04-09-2012 , 02:19 AM
LOL. You're arguing with a guy that said he would answer police questions about his whereabouts in relation to a murder investigation without a lawyer present. Pretty sure there's not an argument you can make that will change his mind on anything here.
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04-09-2012 , 02:21 AM
In Australia if somebody doesn't give a statement pre-trial that person can't be called as a witness? How do they prosecute under such a restriction? What if nobody is willing to make a statement?
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04-09-2012 , 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by grando
bink

I actually didn't realize that some lawyers didn't know the difference between your and you're either...
LOL...I'm so impressed that you picked up a typo! You must be soooo intelligent. Another loser who joined a thread not to offer anything on topic, but just to throw insults out? What is wrong with you people? I'd be so embarrassed if I ever got so pathetic I did what you're doing. LMAO
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04-09-2012 , 02:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
LOL. You're arguing with a guy that said he would answer police questions about his whereabouts in relation to a murder investigation without a lawyer present. Pretty sure there's not an argument you can make that will change his mind on anything here.
Have to agree with you on that. And how refreshing to see you post on topic.
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04-09-2012 , 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
Have to agree with you on that. And how refreshing to see you post on topic.
Someone has to save you from yourself. Christ...
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04-09-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
LOL. You're arguing with a guy that said he would answer police questions about his whereabouts in relation to a murder investigation without a lawyer present. Pretty sure there's not an argument you can make that will change his mind on anything here.
Let's say that the lawyer is present. Should I answer the question or not?

btw, you're wrong, I'm very flexible. I have an open mind. I'm accepting of new ideas, new opinions, will consider all facts. I have a sense of humor, open doors for the ladies, have proper table manners and good taste. I am brilliant at conversation and am at least familiar with many and varied topics. I love animals and take care of my mother. I'm generous to those in need. I'm in decent physical health altough I could stand to lose a bit of weight. Having said that being on the bottom is ok.

Ladies, I AM AVAILABLE. PM w/ offers or for further details.
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04-09-2012 , 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
In Australia if somebody doesn't give a statement pre-trial that person can't be called as a witness? How do they prosecute under such a restriction? What if nobody is willing to make a statement?
Yes, under the principle that an Accused is entitled to know the case against them, a witness cannot be called unless they've made a statement and that statement has been provided to the Defence. In regards to local court matters (less serious offences), that statement must be served 2 weeks prior to the Hearing or it cannot be relied on by the Prosecution, unless they get leave. There are exceptions in relation to cases in reply, but that gets too technical to deal with here.

Most people will provide witness statements so it's not usually a problem. Being asked to be a witness, and being questioned as someone who is suspected of having committed a crime are two very different things.
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04-09-2012 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
Someone has to save you from yourself. Christ...
Mate...you're the one who needs saving. What sort of negative jerk comes onto threads merely to post insults? Pathetic troll. LOL>
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04-09-2012 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Let's say that the lawyer is present. Should I answer the question or not?

btw, you're wrong, I'm very flexible. I have an open mind. I'm accepting of new ideas, new opinions, will consider all facts. I have a sense of humor, open doors for the ladies, have proper table manners and good taste. I am brilliant at conversation and am at least familiar with many and varied topics. I love animals and take care of my mother. I'm generous to those in need. I'm in decent physical health altough I could stand to lose a bit of weight. Having said that being on the bottom is ok.

Ladies, I AM AVAILABLE. PM w/ offers or for further details.
I think you should ask the lawyer; that's why he or she would be present.

You forgot nit. You're a nit, too.
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04-09-2012 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Let's say that the lawyer is present. Should I answer the question or not?
No way! I often get calls from Police Stations with people willing to pay me to come down. I tell them all the same thing..."sure, I'll come if you really want me too, but you'll be wasting your money as I'll give you the same advice I'm giving you now....tell the police that on legal advice, you won't be answering any questions. I say, there's no point in answering questions now, they are charging you anyhow, and you're better off giving your version after you've seen all the evidence against you, have received legal advice about it, and with a lawyer representing your interests.
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04-09-2012 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
Mate...you're the one who needs saving. What sort of negative jerk comes onto threads merely to post insults? Pathetic troll. LOL>
That was a joke. Borrow a sense of humor from Howard.
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04-09-2012 , 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
You forgot nit. You're a nit, too.
Super troll...I think you should get back to your micro and freeroll games.
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04-09-2012 , 02:39 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
Super troll...I think you should get back to your micro and freeroll games.
I was talking about his poker game, not anything he posted itt.

Btw, if you are female and from Australia, I like it when you call me mate, mate.
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04-09-2012 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
I was talking about his poker game, not anything he posted itt.

Btw, if you are female and from Australia, I like it when you call me mate, mate.
Actually I'm an Ethiopian, male, parking lot attendant mate. JK
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04-09-2012 , 02:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
I think you should ask the lawyer; that's why he or she would be present.
Oh, go on, give it a shot, take a guess, venture an opinion, ask somebody else to take a guess, try the magic 8 ball if you can't come up w/ anything, stretch your mind, slip out the back Jack, make a new plan Stan, but get yourself free.

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You forgot nit. You're a nit, too.
I'll admit that I may be considered a nit from my strat posts. I didn't know you lurked sslhe.

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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
No way! I often get calls from Police Stations with people willing to pay me to come down. I tell them all the same thing..."sure, I'll come if you really want me too, but you'll be wasting your money as I'll give you the same advice I'm giving you now....tell the police that on legal advice, you won't be answering any questions. I say, there's no point in answering questions now, they are charging you anyhow, and you're better off giving your version after you've seen all the evidence against you, have received legal advice about it, and with a lawyer representing your interests.
You would say that based on a phone call from a person just arrested w/o knowing all of the particulars? You'd let a case proceed to trial w/o presenting convincing exculpatory evidence at the earliest opportunity?

How many times has 'defendant was represented by ineffective counsel' been cited in appeals by your former clients?

You deserve that, imo, I might hire you to defend Charles Manson bec it's hopeless but that's about it. Well, maybe Howard Lederer but I want to see him go away.
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04-09-2012 , 02:58 AM
My best strategy when asked questions by a Police Officer is lie. If you refuse to talk you look suspicious and shady and they get out their microscopes.

No matter what they ask you lie about it. It will quickly throw them off the scent and discombulate them. If they approached you as a suspect they will leave on a completely different trail. The key is to lie about everything. If it comes back up in court they will sound crazy saying you said all these untrue things.
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04-09-2012 , 03:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale

I'll admit that I may be considered a nit from my strat posts. I didn't know you lurked sslhe.
Never read the forum.
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04-09-2012 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Mitch Evans
Never read the forum.
Start so that you get ahead of the curve, imo. LHE is going to be making a HUDGE comeback!
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04-09-2012 , 03:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
Start so that you get ahead of the curve, imo. LHE is going to be making a HUDGE comeback!
I already play mixed limit games for a living.
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04-09-2012 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by markksman
My best strategy when asked questions by a Police Officer is lie. If you refuse to talk you look suspicious and shady and they get out their microscopes.

No matter what they ask you lie about it. It will quickly throw them off the scent and discombulate them. If they approached you as a suspect they will leave on a completely different trail. The key is to lie about everything. If it comes back up in court they will sound crazy saying you said all these untrue things.
Yes, go with this! What could possibly go wrong!

Well I'll tell you, from the police/prosecution perspective.

If you just refuse to make a statement, well then that's that and it can't really be used against you in court.
However, in court, if you lie to me then me and the prosecuting attorney can have a nice little conversation in front of the jury about every false statement you made to me, how I discovered the truth, etc.

Your strategy will typically make you look like such a douchebag liar to a jury that they'll convict you just because they hate you.
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04-09-2012 , 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Howard Beale
You would say that based on a phone call from a person just arrested w/o knowing all of the particulars? You'd let a case proceed to trial w/o presenting convincing exculpatory evidence at the earliest opportunity?

Yes, and yes. See my explanations above. No lawyer worth a grain of salt advises their client to answer questions. How do you know evidence is exculpatory before you've seen the case they have against them?

How many times has 'defendant was represented by ineffective counsel' been cited in appeals by your former clients?

Never, but if I started to advise them to answer questions from Police I'd expect that to happen. I'd also expect to be accused of being corrupt and accepting payments from Police for assisting them, and to be struck off for incompetence.
And thanks for the insults....they make you look soooo clever. Everyone can see how smart you are...you're smarter than all the lawyers and judges in the world. I think everyone accused of a crime should call you for advice mate.
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04-09-2012 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by phoenixs1
And thanks for the insults....they make you look soooo clever. Everyone can see how smart you are...you're smarter than all the lawyers and judges in the world. I think everyone accused of a crime should call you for advice mate.
Sorry, but I just have a hard time believing a lawyer has to resort to words like "soooo" to convey intended sarcasm. Certainly a lawyer is a better wordsmith, no?
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