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11-27-2016 , 02:28 PM

#51

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The 2nd person, who gives the number in the deck, has the order memorized.

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11-27-2016 , 02:44 PM

#52

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I was thinking the person that is holding the cards was in on it and knew the position of every card in the deck. Notice he didn't shuffle them. But yeah it's either the person holding the cards or the person giving the number.

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11-27-2016 , 02:44 PM

#53

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Tx,

Search berglas and watch vids of it done with different people and celebs. That makes your guess seem very unlikely to be the trick.

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11-27-2016 , 02:44 PM

#54

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Originally Posted by Baltimore Jones

Hate this type of post where someone speaks authoritatively about something they don't actually know anything about.

Card through pane of glass is trivially easy as far as these things go. It took me 6 seconds to find a YouTube video explaining. You don't need a stooge.

Him being at one time a "legit street magician" has nothing to do with whether or not he would use paid actors now.

Oh so Trump can do it in regards to foreign policy, economics, geopolitical military strategy, and international trade, but when I do it in regards to silly street tricks I get hate speech directed at me.

Always the persecuted, never the persecutor!

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11-27-2016 , 02:50 PM

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I think it's more likely that the 3rd person is a stooge (and a capable magician himself), as it makes for a much better effect. This way, the people making the decisions can be people the audience totally trust. Nobody really pays attention to the 3rd guy.

The 3rd guy knows the order of the cards and has time to locate it in the deck during the banter. Then he does some sleight of hand during the flipping to do the rest.

So my overall theory on Berglas effect:
- in multi-person situations, the 3rd guy is a stooge/magician
- in 1-on-1 situations like with JLaw, he skews the %'s his way and just does it multiple times until he gets a hit

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11-27-2016 , 02:53 PM

#56

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Does anyone know whether in OPs video or in David Blaine's special on netflix if the person getting the trick played on is ever in on the trick and they're just acting surprised?

Ever? Try ALWAYS. Sorry to burst your bubble but magic is not real.

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11-27-2016 , 02:58 PM

#57

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Sad,

The problem with your theory is that the trick has been done with groups of celebs as well as been done with lots of different regular person audiences. That's a ****load of third guys to train.

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11-27-2016 , 02:59 PM

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Amnesia,

You've apparently never seen a good magician live.

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11-27-2016 , 03:04 PM

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El, do you have a specific Youtube of a group of celebs where the 3rd person is unlikely to be a stooge?

For regular person audiences, he only needs to have a 2 or 3 man rotation with a variety of disguises.

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11-27-2016 , 03:16 PM

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Sad,

The first example in that video was celebs on a British talk show. I think there's also one of berglas doing it with celebs in "the mind of david berglas" on YouTube - I'll look up which ep later.

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11-27-2016 , 03:17 PM

#61

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ElD, just google ACAAN, it's the same trick just done with one person.

Edit: and for lolz I'd like to see person 2 choose 52 or 1.

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11-27-2016 , 03:22 PM

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Cog,

You have a few hours of research ahead of you to catch up!

Lots of ways to do ACAAN. Berglas version is unique and in 50 years nobody appears to have figured it out yet.

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11-27-2016 , 03:25 PM

#63

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I think we figured it out already.

What's your theory if ours isn't right?

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11-27-2016 , 03:27 PM

#64

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Originally Posted by El Diablo

I dunno, in that first example the first two look like celebs but the third guy doesn't. Unless you can find more clips from that show where the third guy is there regularly, I'm unconvinced.

Also, in the beginning of the video, they lay out the 4 rules for the trick. Isn't it strange that they explicitly mention that the first 2 are not stooges, but the 3rd guy has no such stipulation? It's like they are downplaying the importance of the 3rd guy. I've seen these 4 rules written exactly that way elsewhere on the internet as well.

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11-27-2016 , 03:33 PM

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is the Berglas trick ever done where the number is chosen before the card?

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11-27-2016 , 03:36 PM

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These are so called Berglas effects which are a collection of these type of tricks. These particular ones are called Any Card At Any Number (ACAAN or ACAN tricks) and they are considered the "Holy Grail" of card magic. They were devised by legendary Master Magician David Berglas who is a genius at this. Some versions are quite complex to perform and only highly experienced magicians can do it, even though what the audience sees seems simple. Here is amazing version by Lu Chen performed in front of Berglas himself as a tribute.

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11-27-2016 , 03:51 PM

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Sad: third guy is alistair mcgowan

Cog: ok, so professional magicians have been trying to figure it out with no luck for 50 years and you just nailed it straight away. Great job, champ!

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11-27-2016 , 04:01 PM

#68

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Then why even bother asking the question in the first place? I was just giving my opinion.

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11-27-2016 , 04:04 PM

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Sad,

Btw I think your 1-person guess is right. Can't imagine any way that jlaw trick works every time.

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11-27-2016 , 04:09 PM

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COG,

Because I was looking for some thoughtful analysis like sad's. Not "I did a quick Google and figured it out in five seconds, mystery solved." But again, congrats to you, maybe you are some kind of magic super savant.

If you actually want to have some worthwhile discussion, I'd love to hear your theory on how it's done using groups of celebs like in that talk show vid.

If it weren't for that, I'd be much more inclined to believe something like Sad's theory.

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11-27-2016 , 04:21 PM

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11-27-2016 , 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by El Diablo

Sparks, sumey, etc:

How about this one?

Search YouTube for Berglas for a bunch of other cool stuff.

Yeti got me on a berglas research kick as well. 50 years this guy has kept this trick secret! Except for the guy above who was his protege or something, and who knows how much David Blaine paid him for it.

This one doesn't appear that impressive to me, even if in reality perhaps it is impressive.

Worth noting that a commenter on that video claims to have been in the audience and that the second guy had chosen the wrong number at first, there was a retake.

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11-27-2016 , 04:55 PM

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Bj,

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This one doesn't appear that impressive to me, even if in reality perhaps it is impressive.

You are one hard mofo to impress!

I can totally believe a lot of these things don't work 100% and what we see on tv is more of a "best-of" type deal.

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11-27-2016 , 05:05 PM

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masked man,

I'm sure you came across these pages in your research:
https://jkeyes1000.wordpress.com/201...the-berglas-e/
http://berglaseffect.blogspot.com/

I think the second link, while incomplete, is on the right track. When performing this, the magician is prepared to segue into other impressive tricks if the ACAAN effect doesn't work, and the audience won't know that they are seeing a backup trick.