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No matter how often you repeat it, this is just not true of adolescent boys in statutory relationships with adult women to whom they are not related. On average there is some negative impact, but the vast majority do not get seriously ****ed up.

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03-23-2017 , 12:27 PM

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Dids,

The probability of getting caught has to be much higher than normal for a teacher, though, just because the kid would look at it as bragging rights. At least I would think so, but I'm not a stat rapist.

Also, it seems like a lot of them are using texts to communicate with the students, which is just dumb. You'd think since they're teachers they'd be a little smarter than the average perv.

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03-23-2017 , 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ChaseNutley26

Dids,

The probability of getting caught has to be much higher than normal for a teacher, though, just because the kid would look at it as bragging rights. At least I would think so, but I'm not a stat rapist.

Also, it seems like a lot of them are using texts to communicate with the students, which is just dumb. You'd think since they're teachers they'd be a little smarter than the average perv.

IQ rankings imo:

pedophile > Bill Cosby > teacher > "rapist"

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03-23-2017 , 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gregorio

lotta caveats there Diddler McGee.

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03-23-2017 , 01:01 PM

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You're welcome. Your sweeping statement that the vast majority of survivors of sexual assault get seriously ****ed up has nothing to do with the discussion itt of how bad it is for boys who have sex with their teachers, so I wanted to provide some relevant data.

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03-23-2017 , 01:09 PM

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Hey I'm sure you have a perfectly cromulent reason to strain to find some scenario where diddling is okay.

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03-23-2017 , 01:23 PM

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Yes, when available, I prefer facts over hyperbole, and the scenario I strained to find just happens to be the one we're discussing in this thread.

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03-23-2017 , 01:41 PM

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Hey I'm sure you have a perfectly cromulent reason to strain to find some scenario where diddling is okay.

OK I think I probably agree with the idea that LOLing and drooling over situations like these trivializes sex crime in general, which I think is one of your points. Hot young female teacher with basically of-age male student is certainly a tiny tiny tiny percentage of all statutory rape, most of which is absolutely unacceptable.

I also think I agree that from a moral standpoint it's generally a good idea to avoid relationships with people over whom you have power. But that one's a lot murkier.

And as for the quality of the comedy, I don't know what to tell you.

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03-23-2017 , 01:44 PM

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A 17 year old linebacker railing their teacher doesn't sound like diddling.

Left-side, Strong-side would KO the bulk of adult males.

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03-23-2017 , 01:49 PM

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When did you become such an empathist DZ?

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03-23-2017 , 01:55 PM

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Lol at DrZ.
Wtf is that guy rambling about?

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03-23-2017 , 02:04 PM

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Hey I'm sure you have a perfectly cromulent reason to strain to find some scenario where diddling is okay.

There's a reason it's called "statutory rape". It is defined by a statute, which by definition draws a bright line; this side of the line - bad, the other side of the line - ok. There's no other way to do it. In reality, life is far more complex. It takes a very small mind not to see that.

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I'm curious as to what goes through a teacher's mind when they decide to go through with the sex. Like, do they realistically think that the kid's not going to tell anyone? I can't imagine a 17 yo not bragging about it to their friends.

Honestly I think in many cases these teachers develop legit crushes and it makes them not think clearly about the consequences. Or maybe they think the worst that will happen is they will lose their job, and that just plays into the fantasy that her and the student can end up together.

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03-23-2017 , 02:36 PM

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There is a conquistador-bravery complex american's instill in their male children, which is where the trivialization comes from. But I think that coercing an intellectually-undeveloped person reinforces that concept as being 'okay' to their subconscious.

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I'd have no problem if my 16-17 y/o son hooked up with his hot female teacher, but I think I should have a problem with that. To put it in perspective, I know for sure if my son were gay and had sexual relations with a 26 year old male, I'd lose my **** too.

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03-23-2017 , 03:11 PM

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So it all depends on who is getting fvcked.

edit - The fact the latest teacher is smiling in her mugshot shows she is kind of whacked out.

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When i was 14 i had my first sexual relationship with a 28 yo girl. One of the best experiences of my youth. I consider myself lucky to have had that experience. perhaps teacher-student relationship is different, i just don't see it. Maybe the difference is that if you as a young boy want to bang your teacher or a teacher abuses a young boy unwilling to have sexual relationship.

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03-23-2017 , 03:55 PM

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The oddest thing I have noticed about these stories is how the wording changes depending on the attractiveness of the female teacher in question.

When she is attractive, the phrasing tends more toward the trashy stereotypes. As with the last teacher OP posted, the focus is on her "scantily clad" Halloween outfit, or her smiling mugshot ("Look at how PROUD this SEDUCTRESS is").

It's ****ing weird, unnecessary sexism.

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When are you going to provide any actual data or citations for the claims you continue to make?

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03-23-2017 , 04:20 PM

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That's great if you had that type of relationship and you remember it as a positive experience. But sometimes it's not. Adult women actually do manipulate and abuse preteen/teen boys sometimes, and when they grow up they remember it as a terrible emotional mind****. This is why it has to be illegal. If you feel like there's a perfectly healthy relationship between an adult and a minor, then just don't call the police. But if it's clearly not healthy, the adult needs to go to federal pound me in the ass prison.

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the adult needs to go to federal pound me in the ass prison.

That could be construed as a reward though by some of the female teachers.

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Dr Z,

You have way to much energy behind your posts itt to not have been sexually abused by an older female at some point in your life. What happened?

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03-23-2017 , 04:29 PM

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That could be construed as a reward though by some of the female teachers.

Ok?

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When are you going to provide any actual data or citations for the claims you continue to make?

I will do it now if you like. I was on my phone earlier. And I nailed the bottom of the page so nobody will ever have to see this post twice.

Re: Impact on boys

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How do adolescent males view their sexual relationships with adult females? Some studies show that if the relationship was not forced and the female adult was not a relative, a majority of males viewed these relationships as positive (Condy et al., 1987; Okami, 1991), about a third viewed them as neutral (Fromuth & Burkhart, 1987; Okami, 1991), and a minority (< 5%) viewed them as negative (Fromuth & Burkhart, 1987). Nonetheless, they had slightly elevated levels of psychological distress: they had slightly more psychological, alcohol, and deliberate self-harming behavior problems than men without such experiences [though this could just mean boys with these characteristics are more likely to be victims of predatory adult females vs a consequence of the relationship], but they were not as distressed as those who experienced forced sexual encounters (King et al., 2003).... Although some boys may legitimately view these relationships as positive (as do some girls involved with adult men), case examples and some empirical studies give indications that not all boys are positively affected by these experiences.

Re: Relationship dynamics in adolescent male/adult female sexual relationships

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These relationships share some similarities to a dolescent female/adult male relationships. For example, for both types of relationships, being younger and coming from disadvantaged homes were risk factors. However, there were also some key differences between the two types of relationships. For example, adolescent males were more likely to view the relationship as casual (83% v. 38%), and be considerably younger than the adult (51% of adolescent males, in comparison to 36% of adolescent females, report an age gap of 5 or more years) (Manlove et al., 2005).

An effort has been made to create a typology of female sexual abusers, and one category, termed teacher/lover, describes the dynamics of a statutory relationship (Mathews, Matthews, & Speltz, 1990). In actuality, it may be possible to distinguish lover from teacher, and identify several other categories of statutory relationships involving adult women and adolescent boys:

(1)lover–in which the older female views herself as in love with the youth and thinks of this as a sustainable relationship;
(2)teacher—in which the older female simply regards herself as providing sexual initiation or experience to the youth, but does not see this as a romantic or sustainable relationship;
(3)convenience/unaware—adolescent youth and young adult women who may have casual sexual contact under conditions where no one is paying attention to age or where youths may actually be trying to appear older than they are;
(4)prostitutes—in some parts of the country, there have been traditions of adolescent boys paying adult female prostitutes for sex;
(5)exploitation—older women may take advantage of confused or inexperienced youth in the same way that predatory men do.

Re: Characteristics of adult female perpetrators

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Condy et al. (1987) found that adult women who had sexual relationships with adolescent males displayed elevated levels of Schizophrenia and Hypomania on the MMPI, which is associated with unconventional lifestyles and socially inappropriate behavior. In addition, they tended to have had early sexual experiences themselves with older sexual partners. Specifically, the mean age of their first sexual encounter was 13 years of age, and their adult partner was on average 23.5 years old. Mathews et al. (1990) reported that in their clinical experience, women who had sex with teenage boys tended to display some defensiveness and a denial or minimization of their actions as well as the possible impact of their behavior. The women were unable to acknowledge any character flaws in themselves, and tended to have a history of dependent relationships and substance abuse.

From "Statutory sex crime relationships between juveniles and adults: A review of social scientific research." In Aggression and Violent Behavior 12 (2007), 300–31. [linky to pdf]

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