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05-16-2017 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I saw Apollo 8 circle the moon through my telescope. I double-checked and nobody was on the end of it generating CGI. Which would have take a large room full of computers in 1968.


Illuminati ^^^^^
05-16-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
If the earth was a ball, perfectly still, never rotating, floating in space around the sun, a day would be a year. This is how mercury apparently works.
Mercury is tidally locked to the sun. It's so close and GRAVITY so strong that the same side of it faces the sun all the way round. Same with the earth and its moon.
05-16-2017 , 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Brock Landers
Illuminati ^^^^^
Ooops.
05-17-2017 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
Yeah I've heard about that, what some guy on youtube said was that the sidereal day is slightly faster than the solar day, which is what changes the constellations month to month. I get that.
It's not what changes the constellations month to month, it is what explains the apparent paradox you have presented. If the Earth took exactly 24 hours to rotate about its axis then we would experience what you suggested: that 12:00 noon on your clock would occur in the middle of the night during part of the year. But since in reality the Earth takes slightly less than 24 hours to rotate your clock stays roughly in sync with the day/night cycle throughout the Earth's orbit around the sun.
05-17-2017 , 12:21 AM
So it takes 4 years for things to get screwy and then we have a leap day?
05-17-2017 , 12:24 AM
Today's Google doodle seems especially apropos:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antikythera_mechanism
05-17-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
So it takes 4 years for things to get screwy and then we have a leap day?
Leap days are a separate thing to account for the fact that it takes slightly longer than 365 days for the Earth to complete an orbit around the sun. Nothing to do with sidereal vs. solar days.
05-17-2017 , 12:26 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
So it takes 4 years for things to get screwy and then we have a leap day?


Since the orbit of the earth around the sun is slightly off by about 1/4 of a day each year it's complied into one extra day every 4 years instead of 6 extra hours every year.
05-17-2017 , 12:29 AM
Would you mind telling me what this guy gets wrong, sorry about UTOOBIN but this is my understanding of the stars/sun/moon motions.

05-17-2017 , 01:56 AM
Are you saying whomever put that constellation in the sky is a Nazi sympathizer?
05-17-2017 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Are you saying whomever put that constellation in the sky is a Nazi sympathizer?
Also ignore that the swastika was used multiple times in history before the nazis by religious groups that weren't hellbent on the worst evils in human history
05-17-2017 , 02:26 AM
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/03/t...earth-is-flat/
I tought it was a good read. I looked for that kind article since I was wondering the nightmare moo's wife was living
05-17-2017 , 02:38 AM
Eddy,

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"Flat earthers feel crappy because they don’t understand a lot of this stuff," Peter believes, "so they find a way to minimise the stuff they don’t understand."

By rejecting the established science, flat earthers place themselves in a position of power.

"Suddenly they feel like they’re the experts, and that’s a good feeling. Why wouldn’t you want to maintain that feeling?"
Sounds about right.
05-17-2017 , 03:12 AM
Yeah I tought it was pretty insightful and it show you why you cannot reason with them.
05-17-2017 , 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Great question! I would say the pursuit of truth reveals chicanery practically everywhere I've looked.
In a thread with a huge amount of great posts, this might actually be my favourite lol
05-17-2017 , 07:03 AM
Turns out water does actually curve, who would've thought!

05-17-2017 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
Again, misrepresenting everything to make it sound stupid. I'm sure there's a simple explanation for it. If if my clock is measuring the earth's rotation every day, how am i facing the sun at noon whether I'm on two opposite ends of the earth's yearly orbit.

I'm sure there is an actual explanation that is from science class in grade 1 or whatever, I can't remember that far back lolz
It's because most clocks (though not the sidereal clocks used by astronomers) measure solar time, relative to the Sun, and not sidereal time relative to the distant stars.

In the course of one rotation from noon to noon at a given location, the Earth moves about one degree around its orbit of the Sun. So when it completes that rotation relative to the distant stars, it still has to rotate one more degree (four minutes) before the Sun returns to the noon position. A sidereal day is that much shorter than a solar day. So unless you're an astronomer wanting to find the distant stars in the sky, you use a solar clock because a sidereal clock would be pretty confusing.
05-17-2017 , 07:24 AM
Please let me know what stinky cash got wrong. My observations line up with his...

Moon is slow, ergo the phases
Sun is steady, ergo my clocks work
Stars are quicker, ergo constellations change over the year.

I still don't get how the slightly faster rotation keeps things perfect year after year. Wouldn't time be even more screwed up after the entire year has passed? What happens after 3 or 30 years? wouldn't there be hours of lost time?

lol gizmodo
05-17-2017 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
I still don't get how the slightly faster rotation keeps things perfect year after year. Wouldn't time be even more screwed up after the entire year has passed? What happens after 3 or 30 years? wouldn't there be hours of lost time?
moo,

The units of time (24 hours in a day, one year in an orbit) are not things that exist independently that we use to measure how long a day or year lasts. Think about where the concept of time comes from.
05-17-2017 , 07:34 AM
05-17-2017 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by 1BigOT
Would you care to expand on that as it certainly is a bit hyperbole. I could easily name 15 conspiracies off the top of my head but would have a hard time coming up with 1500 reasonable but fake ones. What conspiracies were you surprised to find out were true?
The only conspiracy theory that I can think of, off the top of my head, that came out to be true was the government spying on us one.
05-17-2017 , 08:42 AM
Thanks econophile. That makes sense in regards to the sun being up at noon and the stars moving as the year goes on. I wonder if theres a .gif that shows the moon phases/orbit as well?

Did you guys watch stinkyCASHs vid?

Gizmodo is such a rag. Most people don't know crap about astronomy. Look how long it took before anyone here acknowledged that 12 noon should be on the dark side after 6 months. When I bring up the lunar cycle to people I see as the week goes on no one understands how the moon is visible during the day. I also recently learned that a high school in my area doesn't do interactive lessons on their space units. Students are given a few sheets to read, come back later and write a test. No questions and answers.

Did Natamus say that his understanding of history came from film school? That's very suspicious to me, as every movie begins with the image of the spinning ball earth. TV and Film is the strongest form of propaganda on earth.
05-17-2017 , 08:52 AM
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Turns out water does actually curve, who would've thought!
not good enough. this is a stream of water. not a resting body. thanks, though. In other news



/flatearth? no
05-17-2017 , 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by moo buckets
Look how long it took before anyone here acknowledged that 12 noon should be on the dark side after 6 months.
No one has because is nonsensical. I'm done.
05-17-2017 , 09:02 AM
wrong again

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=1933

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If the Earth took exactly 24 hours to rotate about its axis then we would experience what you suggested: that 12:00 noon on your clock would occur in the middle of the night during part of the year.

      
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