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The crazy thing is that it looks like they lost altitude when coming up over land and they had some decent miles in them, the Nice airport seems very feasible from that point on in the flight. Like why would they not divert when they seem to be losing altitude that quickly ?

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Descent seemed to start as they passed over Toulon. Hmmmmm...

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I mean, Im far from a pilot or even knowledgeable about airplanes but that trajectory is so weird. There is a large airport in Nice which seems to be easily reachable from where the descend started. Instead they just followed along and crashed in the mountains. Mind boggling but Im sure Im missing something.

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03-24-2015 , 07:50 AM

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Is FlightRadar really reliable though when it comes to determining where and when the descent began?

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03-24-2015 , 07:56 AM

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Actually looking at it now it looks like rapid descent on FR, pretty much goes from 38k to 0 in a few minutes, don't think there would have been any time to divert.

There was a distress signal though. It seems like something catastrophic must have happened, I can't see another explanation. I doubt weather is a factor this time of year also.

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03-24-2015 , 07:59 AM

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Yeah missed that, seems like they fell roughly at 3k/5k feet a minute which is pretty extreme.

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03-24-2015 , 08:03 AM

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Well on the welt.de link they say something else:

"Die Maschine sei mit einer Geschwindigkeit von 3000 bis 4000 Fuß – etwa 900 bis 1200 Meter – pro Minute heruntergegangen. Das sei vergleichbar mit dem Standard bei Landeanflügen."

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03-24-2015 , 08:05 AM

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Yeah, I meant extreme as in, a descent I wouldn't expect to casually happen mid flight. I should probably stfu because I dont know **** about this but cant help myself.

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03-24-2015 , 08:08 AM

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Here's W0X0F: "If you're talking about the plane's climb and descent rates, we often descend at rates in excess of what we can achieve in a climb. I'll often see 3500 to 4500 fpm descent rates (and sometimes up to 6000 fpm), but we rarely climb for any sustained period at greater than 3000 fpm, especially as we get higher."

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03-24-2015 , 08:17 AM

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45 Spaniards on board.

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03-24-2015 , 08:18 AM

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Seems to have been in trouble right from takeoff, never on course...

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This week there was an article in "Der Spiegel" about a recent Lufhansa flight where faulty sensors caused the computer to initiate the plane to sink with 1000m per minute. The pilot switched the computer off and could continue the flight. However, the article suggests that this is not a standard emergency procedure; the pilot had a lot of knowledge about the plane and figured that out himself.

Short version of the article, in German:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/lufth...a-1024652.html

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Seems to have been in trouble right from takeoff, never on course...

iirc they never follow that path but will rather do a hook around it. This might even have to do with the earths curve/winds/flightpaths or I might just be dumb.

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03-24-2015 , 08:22 AM

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flew that exact same itinerary late last year, probably a good job i opted to watch barcelona against someone other than real madrid

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03-24-2015 , 08:25 AM

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I think that course was totally normal.

If they had been in trouble right from the beginning they wouldn't have been able to climb to cruising altitude, only to declare emergency while in descent.

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My mistake, the course does look about right.

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03-24-2015 , 08:37 AM

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In contrast to previous reports, there was bad weather in the area at the time of the crash.

The crash site can only be reached by foot or by helicopter.

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03-24-2015 , 09:28 AM

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And now French media are reporting the weather was perfect, clear blue sky, hardly any wind... conflicting info at the moment.

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03-24-2015 , 09:38 AM

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Thanks for this, pretty shocking. They still don't know the cause of the crash of the AirAsia Airbus, do they?

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03-24-2015 , 09:44 AM

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The AirAsia stalled

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The AirAsia stalled

That's a bit of a simplistic explanation. I'd imagine most crashes involve a stall at some point.

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Press conference now.
- Plane reached cruising altitude at 10:45, stayed there for one minute then started descent
- Descent took 8 minutes
- Last routine maintenance was performed yesterday in Dusseldorf by Lufthansa personnel
- Last major check up was performed summer last year
- Plane had been in service since 1991

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03-24-2015 , 10:16 AM

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- 67 German nationals on board, could turn out to be more
- The autopilot had been updated since the Lufthansa incident Morphismus referenced

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03-24-2015 , 10:26 AM

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At least they'll find the wreckage of this one and confirm that the terrorist nutcases have been responsible for all these disasters. Every day a plane crash? Mechanical failure? Weather? Sure.

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03-24-2015 , 10:29 AM

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At least they'll find the wreckage of this one and confirm that the terrorist nutcases have been responsible for all these disasters. Every day a plane crash? Mechanical failure? Weather? Sure.

You sound smart.

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At least they'll find the wreckage of this one and confirm that the terrorist nutcases have been responsible for all these disasters. Every day a plane crash? Mechanical failure? Weather? Sure.

Terrorism is kind of about claiming what you have terrorized so that you can cash in on the fear. Its kind of useless if you keep bombing planes in the sky and allow the world to pretend it were mechanical failures.

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