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04-10-2015 , 03:03 PM
Dogs are allowed in basically every public area, streets, parks, etc. Avoiding places where dogs aren't allowed isn't a reasonable strategy. A reasonable strategy is to deal with it. You're going to have to deal with it every time you leave the house, you might as well deal with it when you're in a restaurant.
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04-10-2015 , 03:05 PM
Odds that Feral has a ES dog that he knows he doesn't need?
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04-10-2015 , 03:07 PM
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Gobbo, did you have to train Oscar a lot? I have a friend with a dachshund and he's a stubborn little bastard. Also a sweet dog that loves to cuddle and gets so excited when he sees me he pees himself, but really, really stubborn.
He's very hard to train, yes. They're stubborn dogs. His training was over 6 weeks and mostly just consisted of going to public places and getting him used to things you'll encounter while out. They also brought in emts and a gurney to make them used to emergency sounds and personnel. It was a lot of fun I learned a lot about how to train oscar overall.
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04-10-2015 , 03:21 PM
Down with animals up with prescribed security blankets for the mentally ill imo.
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04-10-2015 , 03:30 PM
FC,

Your argument is silly.

It's trivially easy for someone to basically never have to interact with dogs. And when faced with a dog nearby, they can easily remove themselves from that environment if they so choose.

Dogs are allowed on sidewalks. People with irrational fear of dogs don't get to ban dogs from sidewalks. The rules aren't changed to cater to them. Why should rules be changed to cater to people with irrational fear of being without their dog?
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04-10-2015 , 03:37 PM
I have noticed a ridiculous increase in people taking dogs into stores and they usually look really young and healthy and hipster. The dogs are usually dressed up and ****.
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04-10-2015 , 03:39 PM
What about people who are allergic to dogs and/or miniature horses?
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04-10-2015 , 03:39 PM
I'm not arguing that the rules be changed for people who can't be without their dog, I'm arguing that worrying about people who might be afraid of dogs is a silly reason not to change the rules.

If a restaurant wants to say "we don't allow dogs because we're just not that kinda place" I think that's fine.

If a restaurant says "we don't allow dogs because some people might be afraid of dogs" I think that's silly.
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04-10-2015 , 03:45 PM
I'm not sure if that was what you were arguing earlier, but this is still strange imo.

If a restaurant says they don't want dogs because their staff and clients may be afraid of them/allergic to them/find it unhygienic, that's a thought out reason. Saying they're 'just not that place' seems like a meaningless motivation.
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04-10-2015 , 03:48 PM
It's more or less an esthetic decision, similar to disallowing people wearing certain clothes or whatever.
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04-10-2015 , 03:51 PM
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FC,

Your argument is silly.

It's trivially easy for someone to basically never have to interact with dogs. And when faced with a dog nearby, they can easily remove themselves from that environment if they so choose.

Dogs are allowed on sidewalks. People with irrational fear of dogs don't get to ban dogs from sidewalks. The rules aren't changed to cater to them. Why should rules be changed to cater to people with irrational fear of being without their dog?
On an airplane, it probably is not that easy if you end up right next to one. Are stewards going to ask passengers who is ok sitting next to a miniature horse for a 5 hour flight and expect an affirmative response?
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04-10-2015 , 03:55 PM
I don't think I could stop laughing if there was a miniature horse on my flight. If that isn't emotional support, I don't know what is.
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04-10-2015 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by multitablegrinder
I have noticed a ridiculous increase in people taking dogs into stores and they usually look really young and healthy and hipster. The dogs are usually dressed up and ****.
Emotional diseases can strike the young and physically healthy.

These dogs are not prescribed for physical conditions. They are emotional support animals only.
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04-10-2015 , 04:33 PM
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Some people just may not like to sit next to a miniature horse for an entire plane ride. But, supposedly, they can't take a plane trip without their animal. There are other modes of transport.

Anyone can scam the test.
are you kidding me?? I'd pay to rent a miniature horse for a flight if I saw a booth in the concourse. I'd pet it and cuddle it and love it the whole flight. and I imagine everyone around me would love it too.

no-lose situation.
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04-10-2015 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by golfnutt
Emotional diseases can strike the young and physically healthy.

These dogs are not prescribed for physical conditions. They are emotional support animals only.
I know, therefore one would expect an even distribution of said illness throughout society. But for example, I notice that black people are much less likely to have one of those animals (or a fear of gluten).

White hipster self entitlement is the worst.
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04-10-2015 , 04:41 PM
I'm still trying to figure out how they cram a ****ing horse onto a plane. Where does it even stand during flight?
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04-10-2015 , 04:41 PM
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are you kidding me?? I'd pay to rent a miniature horse for a flight if I saw a booth in the concourse. I'd pet it and cuddle it and love it the whole flight. and I imagine everyone around me would love it too.

no-lose situation.
imagining that everyone thinks and likes the same things you do is a sign of narcissism.
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04-10-2015 , 04:42 PM
google image search will give you plenty of ideas.
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04-10-2015 , 05:04 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out how they cram a ****ing horse onto a plane. Where does it even stand during flight?
in the aisle next to me i imagine. that way the person across from me can pet it and enjoy it too. the **** are they doing on a plane ride that's so important they can't enjoy the presence of a miniature horse?
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04-10-2015 , 05:05 PM
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imagining that everyone thinks and likes the same things you do is a sign of narcissism.
yeah ok, nobody bring cake to a birthday party anymore cause ONE PERSON might not like it. gfy
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04-10-2015 , 05:13 PM
narcissistic injury = angry outburst.
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04-10-2015 , 05:22 PM
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I'm still trying to figure out how they cram a ****ing horse onto a plane. Where does it even stand during flight?
It needs to be able to be on your lap during take-off. And then you can move it in front of you during flight. It cannot go in the aisle.

For United Airlines:Emotional support and psychiatric assist animals

Emotional support and psychiatric assist animals are also accepted in cabin for qualified individuals with a disability if certain documentation requirements are met. Additional documentation may also be required for an animal traveling to an international destination. Please note that not all international destinations allow the entry of animals, and restrictions vary by country. Customers should contact the appropriate consulate or embassy to make sure that all necessary procedures are followed.

An animal should sit at the customer's feet without protruding into the aisles to comply with safety regulations. Customers may elect to use an approved in-cabin kennel for smaller animals. Exit row seating is prohibited. Refer to the U.S. Department of Transportation 14 CFR Part 382 or contact United for additional information.

Customers traveling with an emotional support or psychiatric assist animal must provide a minimum 48-hour advance notification to United’s Disability Desk by 1) calling 1-800-228-2744 from within the United States or Canada, or from elsewhere calling United's contact center and asking to be connected to the Disability Desk and 2) submitting the required documentation (PDF) by fax (1-313-234-6966) or email (uaaeromed@united.com). The Disability Desk must receive and validate the required documentation prior to the time of travel. Verification of documentation will include United contacting your mental health care professional. If we are unable to validate the documentation or if the advance notification is not given, customers will be required to transport the animal as a pet, and pet fees will apply.
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04-10-2015 , 05:25 PM
JetBlue's Policy

Emotional Support/Psychiatric Service Animals

Unusual animals (i.e. snakes, other reptiles, ferrets, rodents and spiders) pose unavoidable safety and/or public health concerns and will not be allowed on JetBlue flights, even as a Service or Emotional Support Animals. Birds that do not have their wings “clipped or pinioned” may be refused carriage. The release of such animals in the aircraft could result in a direct threat to the health or safety of customers and crewmembers.


Emotional Support/Psychiatric Service Animals require current documentation (i.e., not more than one year old) on letterhead or prescription from a licensed mental health professional or physician* stating the following:
-The customer has a mental health-related disability.
-The animal accompanying the customer is necessary to the customer’s mental health or treatment.
-The number and type of animal(s)
-The individual providing the assessment of the customer is a licensed mental health professional and the customer is under his or her professional care.
-The mental health professional’s license number OR the type of license, the issue date and the state or other jurisdiction in which it was issued

Always include the confirmation number on all correspondence.

Please note: Required documentation for Emotional Support Animals must always accompany the animal when traveling and is to be presented upon request to JetBlue airport personnel for review.

*Any licensed mental health professional (e.g., psychiatrist, psychologist, licensed clinical social worker) including a medical doctor who is specifically treating a customer's mental or emotional disability.
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04-10-2015 , 05:37 PM
So, I have decided for $500, I will provide a gold-level package. It will include all airlines and their various restrictions. A form on the law if anyone decides to question accessibility. It will have case-law precedent that should scare off most people. Also access to a lawyer who specializes in animal rights.

In return, they will have to acknowledge that their psychiatric condition is real and if we find out that you are gaming the system, we will ????

This where I am confused. I don't think there are any penalties which exist for handicap placards falsification.

***Some states have enacted penalties for misusing handicapped placards, stickers or plates. In Connecticut, for example, using a dead person’s placard can result in a $500 fine. In New Jersey, anyone convicted of making a false statement or providing misinformation to get a placard is subject to a fine of up to $10,000 and 18 months in prison.***

This is where the law needs to come down hard. But disproving a psychiatric disorder is much more challenging. It is 100% brain-related.
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04-10-2015 , 05:39 PM
Gobbo your dog is adorable.
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