also, the 20% discount in the op expired yesterday. but I found another code that seems like it will work for 15% off. apollo coupon code = thankyou

looks good, you need more juice and different flavours

fml, none of the good juice shops ship intl

The berry bliss isn't like eating a cup of fresh berries, that's for sure. But it is light and crisp with a good hit. It tastes like something, but I can't put my finger on it. Maybe some flavor of bubble gum. If I think of it, I'll update.

I think I have tried Malty, but it was back when I first started and had ****ty equipment. I may have to try it again if I don't have any left over.

well ****,
I ordered the chrome because I thought it was available, and stainless was back ordered. I was wrong

I got an email from apollo telling me the stainless vtube, as well as the chrome are on back order until april 15th.

I called and the guy to see if I could get black/silver/anything. He said every single vtube is on back order until april 15th..

oh well, I just had them change it to a stainless since it's on back order no matter what

Try Rawr. They certainly ship to the UK. Antidote ftw.

just ordered 30ml of that yesterday along with some truth serum. they have both a raspberry and a peach flavored truth serum coming out at the end of the month among a few others that i am excited to try out.

Cheers. Didn't know that.

Just got my first mentholated Truth Serum today (TS is a pear cream). Really shouldn't work but does.

The menthol (I got cool) freshens up your mouth a treat. I've often found I lose fruity flavours after a few vapes.

TS has been my go to for a while and after trying antidote last order, i will have both in the rotation for the foreseeable future.

Bummer. I only knew the stainless and chrome weren't yet available. There are certainly other suppliers, but Apollo and Volcano are the only two I'm aware of with a year warranty.

"Interesting" report by the BMA (British medical association) on e-cigs:

PDF link: http://www.bma.org.uk/images/ecigare...m41-212278.pdf

"Summary
• E-cigarettes are not regulated as a tobacco product or as a medicine in the UK and there is no peerreviewed evidence that they are a safe and effective nicotine replacement therapy
• The use of e-cigarettes may undermine smoking prevention and cessation by reinforcing the normalcy of cigarette use in public and workplaces
• Health professionals should not recommend the use of e-cigarettes as smoking cessation aid or a lower risk option than continuing to smoke due to a lack of evidence of their safety and efficacy"



Also, South Africa just banned the sale of e-cigs. Going to be by (expensive) prescription only apparently, and that's only after they've tested them for 2 years...

Yeah, that's not looking good. We's gonna get banned next year imo.

WTF is the e-cigs in the workplace section doing in there? Seemed like an excuse to get a few Mrs Lovejoy moments in there.

Also, in the section on second hand vapour - "...produce emissions that can be seen and smelled, and presumably contain nicotine, carcinogens and other substances. "

Presumably? Other substances? Really?

Why is it getting so much negative rap from governments? I wonder if it's due to lobbying from the tobacco companies.

It the pharmaceuticals behind the anti-smoking funding, and your taxes:

i changed my order around a little yesterday, gonna get a mini to hold me over until the stainless regular size vtube comes out. the sales rep was very helpful.

the warranty only covers defective vtube so what difference does it make how long it lasts. Don't get how a working device all of a sudden becomes defective. Mine fell on the floor and the atty screws in funny. I don't know what to do.

Just placed a juice order. I'm getting a BBW sample of Conundrum, Nutty, Cappuccino, Menthol Blast, Smoke, and all my standard tobacco flavors.

I'm experimenting for the first time with 18mg instead of 24. I sometimes vape more than 6ml a day and I've been having symptoms of anxiety. I don't know if it's me or the nicotine. I don't really crave nicotine so much, but I like throat hit which is why I go for 24mg. I'll see what difference it makes. I may be overdosing on nic for all I know.

lol are regular cigarettes prescription only in South Africa?

The top cap came off of my first unit. I returned it and got it repaired for no charge. My second one has been acting strange sometimes too. It will do nothing but reset to 3.0. I leave it alone for a day or two and it works again. It will probably go back for replacement.

It doesn't bother me. I knew I was buying first or second production run of a new product. There are always kinks to be worked out. That's why I did a lot of searching to find a decent warranty.

I have to put my hand up here and disagree with the general rubbishing by other posters of this report.

Firstly its by the British Medical Association who are no way affiliated, paid by or influenced by tobacco companies. As such this is actualy a reasonably balanced report. There has been a minimal amount of research done on these things; just becuase PG/VG are common food additives doesnt mean that the cells in your lungs will react with them in the same way as your (very acidic) digestive system. I think its folly to poo poo this report because you happen to enjoy vaping.

I do heed that the major brands with carcinogens are (most likely) a few common chinese brands sold in the UK and that sourcing liquid from other more reputable sources is the better option. But lets keep an open mind.

Right; that being said this is an e-cig thread so apologies for the rant

Pretty reasonable rant imo. Belongs in an e-cig thread more than anywhere else.

My first e-cig is in the post, and I'll roll the dice on e-cigs over normal cigarettes at this point. Only because I've spent the last 5 years trying and failing to quite tobacco though, not doing either would be my preference.

Just thinking about the methodology involved in doing an e-cig study, my lord that must be tough given the incredibly strong correlation between e-cig users and tobacco smokers.

That BMJ report is outright horrible. The BMJ may not be "affiliated, paid by or influenced by tobacco companies" - but after reading that I don't doubt for a second they are heavily corrupted by Glaxo, Pfizer etc.

Almost every sentence in the pdf is either untrue, meaningless or spun for maximum anti-ecig effect.

Notice there's no actual research or anything new in the BMA release? It's based on a flawed FDA study. Here is a response to the FDA report:

See also here: The FDA Kills Smokers

Do you mean the BMA release? This is a super-sensitive response.

It's a medical association report aimed at medical professionals. It's not even critical of e-cigs. The central claim is that there have been no rigorous, peer-reviewed studies into the effectiveness of e-cigs as a "safe and effective nicotine replacement therapy." They do not make direct claims that e-cigs are unsafe (though they do reference some studies along these lines), the thrust of the release is rather that medical practitioners should not at this point advocate their use due to scientific uncertainty.

Seems reasonable to me. In the absense of any peer-reviewed studies about long term effects of e-cigs I'd think any doctor who professionally advocated them at this point was a quack. That's not to say they shouldn't approach e-cigs with an open mind and as a potentially excellent alternative to tobacco products.

Just received my first e-cig, a Joyetech ego-c.

It's bigger than I'd have liked, but as far as I can tell it's one of the smaller models on the market (that has decent functionality).

Because I'm in Australia I haven't been able to get nicotine for it yet, so I've only tried it with a zero-nicotine juice (RY4 from vixen vapors), mixed 50/50 with odourless VG. I like it, but have no point of reference. Interesting that there's no hit on my throat at all, is this a feature of e-cigs, or will that hit come when I add nicotine to the mix?

I need to order nicotine separately from overseas. Anything I should consider before doing so? From the discussion of the above report it seems some vendors are more reliable/trustworthy than others...

This blog entry from the site I ordered the ego-c from suggests getting a 48mg/ml, VG mix from e-cig.com. Good way to go?