And this is what I mean. It might help you for short bursts, but long term wouldn't it be better to just structure your work / study better so you don't need to cram so much into a short period of time?

I think they can be a net positive depending on the drug and the drug user. All I do is smoke a ****load of weed. I am going to buy a volcano and then nobody can tell me ****.

I took a fair amount of ecstasy. Responsibly. Mostly molly.
I took mushrooms a handful of times. Always had fun.
I smoked opium and played video games once. We just lost 24 hours.

Unfortunately I went through my drinking phase when I was 15. I used to do 10 shots of vodka with my friend who was 17.

I helped my Marine buddy move. I made a joke about getting some pills. He had to show me which pills to take. He gave me like 10 vicodins, 1 oxy and 1 valium I think. I took 4 vicodins and broke into a cold sweat. I took the oxy, which was the smallest pill I have ever seen and tried to watch a movie. Never again. I dont want to feel like that.

I think its also why I never tried coke. Im not snorting anything dude.

Drugs like meth though are a problem. People cant control that ****. At some point a meth addict moved in right next door to my mother. Like they share a stoop. Tried to burglarize her house at least twice now. HOA wont do ****. They just leave cigarette butts on the stoop. Like why would you **** where you live. Dude has no teeth. I feel bad for his daughters. I almost killed this mother****er twice now. It got to the point I just have someone stay there when no one is home.

The term gateway drug is so stupid. Everything is a gateway drug if it leads you to some other drug. I hate when people say weed led me to heroin. For every person like that there are people like me who have never done coke, heroin or meth.

Sorry, what?

I think it just comes back to "what are you aiming for with the use of this drug" as well as the actual effects of the drug itself. If you are aiming for better health and functionality and are using a drug for that or using a drug to shift your perspective or just have a good time and usually it's a positive thing.


On the other side there are people who are trying to replace something that is missing like trying to balance out bad emotional habits like with anxiety/depression and drinking or just fill a hole inside of you or are just trying to get wrecked then you're on a path to self destruction most likely.




Really it's more about habits then the drugs themselves.

+1. Thinking your body doesnt mind skipping sleep and not realizing the fact your body tells you that you have to recharge means something is pretty bad. Sleeping is extremely important to your health.

Yes and on top of this, cramming, which is what I assume he uses nootropics for, is an extremely inefficient method of studying, if long term retention is your goal (and that should arguably always be your goal).

if you think that nootropics don't work then you are stupid and you do not understand how your body works.

I think I like this post, but can't remember why.

We've got a medical doctor over here guys.

I think we understand confirmation bias, the placebo effect and gullibility just fine.

I don't need to cram anything. I have plenty of time to do everything I need to get done. Modafinil is creative boost, but you have to pay for it. I am not sure if it's breakeven, slightly +EV, or slightly -EV. Right now I'm taking an extended break and I'm documenting my productivity during this time.

I ate a lot of LSD as a young man.

Frankly I think it made me a more spiritual, well-rounded person. I was face-to-face with my true self for hours at a clip.

To me, that's what makes LSD warp some people. If you're not prepared to face your personal monsters, you are going to have a very bad time.

My ex-wife and some on 2p2 probably have other opinions about what it did. My "well-roundedness". Changed me, for certain.

Probably should add that I'm 51, on meds and in therapy, and I damn near lost it all, recently. Mentally that is.

While I don't recommend anything for anyone (those are personal decisions based on each person's unique self), I've tripped thousands of times and have always felt each time was a phenomenal positive for me.

Obviously, that was a time long, long ago and far, far away...

Why is boosting your productivity and creativity so important if you already have plenty of time to do everything? That sounds like madness to me. Are you trying to achieve some specific goal or are you just making yourself miserable for no damn good reason at all?

Find some hippy looking types at a bar and go from there.

I highly recommend getting a Silver Surfer instead of a volcano. Dealing with that damn bag on the volcano is so ****ing annoying.

I've never taken Modafinil, but I think the main benefit is that, if creativity is quantifiable, then the short term "gains" in creativity are so great that ends justify the means.

To some people, creativity is the reason for living. /romanticism

I'm not miserable. I try to find an edge in everything I do. I eat really healthy because I think it gives me an edge, not because I am miserable. I exercise because I think it gives me an edge, not because I'm miserable. I read books because I think it gives me an edge, etc. I'm experimenting with nootropics because I'm curious if they can give me another edge. Right now I'm questioning if they do. Modafinil gives a pretty huge edge for two days and then a price needs to be paid. I'm not miserable when I pay the price just like I'm not miserable when I get worn out after working really hard on something. Losers get miserable when they pay the price for something. Winners understand that everything worthwhile comes with a price, and they pay it happily every time. The only question is if the edge Modafinil gives me is worth more than the price. It's a tough question because it's a close call.

I'm experimenting and mixing several other noots too. I'm much more skeptical of the other noots at this point than I am with the modafinil. A couple of the noots I take are supposed to potentiate the modafinil.

I'm starting to open to the view that synthetic performance-enhancing drugs might be a net negative in nearly all circumstances. I just don't know. I've been kicking some serious ass on modafinil but my sample size is still small. I was hoping someone would link some scientific study in this thread that would illuminate the subject better. Like someone said earlier, I probably should have worded the OP a little better.

There's also science though: http://www.futurity.org/modafinil-dr...tivity-803372/

I had never read the word nootropic before this thread. At least not that I remember.

OP, what exactly are you doing? Writing, drawing, etc?

I'm creating an educational course. A lot of writing and a lot of research is involved.

I was once pretty upset after a breakup for awhile, then did acid with my friends and was over it the next day. It was simply amazing.

Asked a knowledgeable friend for her thoughts.

She said SS: Asian-made, no temp control, Volcano: German, has temp control, and there's a reason they use them in every vape lounge.

I wouldn't know.

Maybe its something for OP after all;