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Aside from the burying it with him part, this seems like a pretty good option assuming OP is indifferent to getting it himself.

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Plot thickens. Turns out that the unreasonable ******* side of the family have a histroy of being unreasonable *******s. Who knew?

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A little late to the party, but I feel that in the last emails (before father's vacation) they weren't trying to get you to agree to putting the chess set back in the draft.

I think they are trying to hit you with the items that were distributed pre-draft. If everything you have written is correct you and Betty went against your grandparents will in this. Of course you both did this, but Betty specifically mentions to try to do a redraft for those.

I think they realize that if they are trying to sue, they stand no chance against your dad, but that the case against you for neglecting your grandparents will concerning the jewelry and stuff is stronger. I think they want to put pressure on you (threaten to sue) so you will put pressure on your dad. So I guess you should prepare for that (maybe mail Betty that you would be willing to redraft those things but you consider it impossible to get all of them back, so just have a redraft of everything you can get). As she and her mother got most of it IIRC, they won't want to do that (well they will argue for a total redraft, but I guess you are out of "negelecting the will"-territory).

OTOH I am not sure if they can threaten you with that anyway, as she is responsible for the neglect as much as you, and I don't think "oh, we made a mistake, let's do it again" is legally relevant anyway.

Anyway, great read.

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hahaha...awesome post, only soon to be trumped by...

BOOM HEADSHOT.

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This. Just ask Betty if she wants to sue herself because your first move is to make sure the co-executor who approved of that stuff is also listed as a defendant.

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BTW I met up with a friend who does this for a living (estate planning/lawyer) he gave me the following answers [pretty sure its all confirmation anyway]

1) The document was not signed or dated, therefore it’s worth less.

2) They are not obligated to buy Richard anything, as a matter of fact, if they did, they could get into trouble if the beneficiaries of the Trust raised a fuss. Because it more than likely would be deemed as a misuse of the funds and he, and any other Trustee, could face consequences from that.



But, Dad is being a jerk and should exchange it with her for something of equal value.

He also said that's general estate planning law stuff, it could vary in your state Amid.

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No update from Amid. If he leaves us high and dry I say we sue the trust.

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Ke4+

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I'll give you Richard and Betty's email addresses, you can all sue me together.

Unfortunately, no updates to give yet. I spoke to my father a little further - he basically said that since Aunt had two chances to pick the chess set and passed, he didn't think it was that important to her. Also, had they brought it up right away, he likely would have just given to them. But now that it's two years later and they've repeatedly been dicks about it, he doesn't think any of them deserve it.

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It's weird that I remember this but have no idea what the hell the thread it was in was about.

EDIT: Ok, I went back and found it and man, that guy was clearly a next level thinker.

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From a legal standpoint:

/thread

Here's what's fair:

What your father SHOULD do is offer the chess set to the aunt in exchange for whatever she picked first.

IMO, it looks like that aunt was being a sneaky, greedy bitch during the selection process. She thought she had the chess set locked down, so she used her initial picks to secure additional valuable items, some of which would have gone to your father if she had been playing fairly. If she really wants that chess set, she needs to give your father whatever valuable she chose in place of the chess set.

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why doesn't your dad just say "What chess set?"
I sold it for $50 at my yard sale.

The Crazies don't go to his house because they all hate each other.
He can put the darn thing on a pedestal, and they won't be the wiser.

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Either we are near the end game (boo) or you are in trouble.

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sounds over to me

solid update

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Link?

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I dunno, he moved his king out of the way for a discovered check...

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:D

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open casket funeral + super glue/ dont forget ur camera!

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bump 4 update

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I really like this.

Then if they ever discover he still has it: "Oh I bought another one last month."

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semi grunch

It sounds like legally it belongs to Dad.

Does Dad contend the document is forged or fake? Or does he think it's real and just doesn't care?

If everyone agrees the document is real and he's ignoring the deceased's wishes, he's kinda a dick, even if he's in the legal right.

If he contends the document is a fake, then I can understand him not wanting to give it up.

Sad families would bitch like this for a measly 4K-8K.

Betty sounds like she's greedy/crazy. If I were "dad" i'd want to examine the document, if i thought it was real I'd try to work something out. If I thought it was a fake BS by crazy lady, I'd tell her to f off.

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Grunching in a 500 post OOT thread seems silly.

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I don't think he is being a dick, given their actions and behaviour.

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"cold dead hands" idea is so ****ing money

Amid, please, please report this idea to your dad and see what he says.

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bump. best thread running right now. update?