You all lie with illicit help from your friends

I haven't done any reading of speculation but this is kind of what I thought. It would mirror the [major spoiler from the best star wars video game] .

that said, if that isn't the case, SeniorKeed's point is pretty bad. at the very least, it's just poor storytelling to take the lead character of a three-part arc and make him/her beyond proficient in the first act. and I use beyond proficient too modestly - I agree with the people in this thread pointing out how unlikely it is that she be so adept with the lightsaber. I kind of always thought that it was this weapon with an extremely high skill floor (hence only seeing basically three characters use it in the entire OT) that requires a lot of training and a lot of 'force'. Luke blocking three training droid blasts under the training of a jedi master doesn't validate that.

arguing that she should have a shot against the adam driver guy is just arguing for sport. pretty much every fan of the OT thought two things at the end of that movie 1) why the f did they have her kick the vader-proxy's ass 2) why is the end of this movie the exact same as ANH. (for more obsessive viewers, 3. how does the space planet take other planets out from 60 light years away)

Rey and Finn didn't fight well at all with the lightsaber even against someone who was only half-trained and dripping blood all over the place. And it obviously doesn't require any special training to turn on a lightsaber and wave it around. Finn is trained in personal combat and Rey is proficient at fighting with a similar weapon. If you want to criticize the believability of her character arc then it makes much more sense to focus on her using a Jedi mind trick and calling the lightsaber to her hand. But even there, it's pointless to get too wrapped up in it before seeing how it will be explained in the other movies. It was made perfectly clear that there's something mysterious about her past, and it's completely understandable that the protagonist of the film would be exceptionally strong in the Force.

Are you talking about the force which would be awaken?

^ all of that

Lucasfilm has been whoring out Star Wars licenses since forever. Hundreds of novels and guidebooks and comics churned out by endless contributors with their own takes and universe rules. We're coming up on the 6th cartoon series, and there seem to be at least 3 in-universe films people seem to have mentally discarded between TCW and the 80s Ewok things.

Anyone who's hard-wired themselves to the idea of one true Star Wars gospel is bound for disappointment, whether we're talking loyalty to EU stuff, or even the other extreme that only wants to stay in the sandbox of the original 3 films. Even that world is going to get violated a fair bit over time too, Instant Jedi Rey is only the beginning.

ftr I agree that Rey's bit at the end was super rushed, but we also don't know what's up with her. We also don't know what Kylo's all about either. His massacre thing could have been a bunch of ****ty Jedi kids. Maybe Luke's training program isn't big on lightsaber fighting until senior year. Maybe, despite heritage, Kylo just kind of sucks? The fact that he has a couple of interesting newer powers doesn't necessarily mean he's well-rounded at all. Abrams could have addressed this a lot better.

It's also possible that the plan is for Rey and Kylo switch sides before the end, which might explain him getting painted as the underdog early on, and why they emphasized him struggling with the light side a bit.

Yea, that fight was like a 3 on a scale of 1-10. It was better than Obi Wan-Vader in A New Hope, but other than that? Pretty weak. It wasn't exactly Obi-Wan-Vader in Revenge of the Sith or Luke-Vader in Return of the Jedi.

Wait until we learn Rey is starlord sister and they join forces against thanos

Liked it, but all it was was a 2 hour delivery system to see Darth Vader one more time on screen. Crazy thing is that was supposedly added late in the process. Just a completely pointless movie I'll never think about again

I'm on a plane and about halfway through my Rogue One rewatch. It's actually pretty good and could have been great if they would have had a skilled writer working on the revisions.

my major complaint comes from a minor scene. the 1st darth vader scene is just terrible all around. Terrible vader voice, lame dialog, weird directing - but worst of all, they took all the teeth out of the movie's awesome final scene! just awful. (and then to rub salt in the wound they follow it up with the Jin's lame Yavin Rally Speech).

Some of you guys take this **** way too seriously.

Its a movie.
With space ships and aliens.

Please GTFO.

Cordially,

OOT

Agree 100% on this. Seems like the kind of scene that should have hit the cutting room floor but they just couldn't bear to do it.

I was relieved at first that they got this one in while JEJ was still alive, but ironically they probably would have done better with a sound-alike instead.

Shoulda just had David Prowse do it.

Spin it any way you want, Rey just suddenly whipping out elite Jedi powers on the fly, without even really knowing what they are, made absolutely no sense...

UNLESS they establish that she was trained a great deal as a young child and those memories are just lost or repressed. Assuming that, it mostly holds up, outside of that, it's just forced/rushed.

I almost feel like that has to be the case, that Luke will reveal that she was one of the young trainees and the only one he could rescue when Kylo lost his ****. Did some cool new Jedi trick to wipe her memories, and hid her on a ****ty desert planet to protect her since that seems to be what people do in this stupid galaxy.

Disney/Lucasfilm axes Lord and Miller in the middle of filming the new Han Solo movie and replaces them with Ron Howard. Not a good look

http://deadline.com/2017/06/ron-howa...or-1202118193/

Crazy story, probably will cost them tens of millions of dollars.

I wonder if Kasdan gave Disney a "them or me" ultimatum.

Stolen from youtube comments, though I'm sure it's been posted elsewhere as well:

lol Ron Howard? Wtf? Has he even made anything good lately? Or even directed sci-if before?

He is apparently a huge Star Wars fan, and George Lucas talked to him about directing the prequels. Beyond that, it seems pretty random.

Rush was really good, but I haven't seen In the Heart of the Sea.

It would seem this is more suited to a younger director, but perhaps the two they just fired made a bit of a mess and they're trying to go in the complete opposite direction and salvage it?

I thought it was over Disney wanting to Disney it up. Han shoots second and that type of stuff.

Looks like a movie ruined by producers in the making.
Like suicide squad or the last fantastic 4 they hire a director but don't give him a chance. Good for the duo to get fired and avoid a commercial mess where no creativity is allowed.