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03-04-2014 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I love how you just buy her version of events with her Mom whole cloth.

That's not to say her Mom is an angel - I've never met either of them, and current understanding of BPD suggests it is probably caused by highly dysfunctional parent-child relationships.

It just baffles me that you have been told repeatedly that a hallmark of BPD is dishonesty and manipulation and you treat everything your g/f tells you like it's the gospel truth.
+1.

No matter how many different people have told him he can't take everything she says at face value he still doesn't get it.

I've asked this before but was ignored by OP: have you, OP, actually read any of the books recommended about BPD? You still seem to have zero understanding of the disorder. Have you or not?
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03-04-2014 , 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
I love how you just buy her version of events with her Mom whole cloth.

That's not to say her Mom is an angel - I've never met either of them, and current understanding of BPD suggests it is probably caused by highly dysfunctional parent-child relationships.

It just baffles me that you have been told repeatedly that a hallmark of BPD is dishonesty and manipulation and you treat everything your g/f tells you like it's the gospel truth.
I don't believe *everything* she says, like for example when we tried the whole Couples Therapy thing a while ago, when she felt like she was being questioned and called out a little bit, she brought up how an ex-boyfriend used to force himself on her, which felt really random and used as a way to change the subject. I have picked up that when she is being dishonest, her words are forced. And yeah, I know that when a BPD feels like they are losing someone they will look for sympathy, but the whole ordeal with her Mum is different. This had nothing to do with her feeling like she is losing someone, everything was fine before she went to see her Mum, and when she came back she wasn't, and was legitamately upset. Just because dishonesty and manipulation might be hallmarks of BPD, does not mean that literally everything she does is based around dishonesty and manipulation.


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Originally Posted by dalerobk2
+1.

No matter how many different people have told him he can't take everything she says at face value he still doesn't get it.

I've asked this before but was ignored by OP: have you, OP, actually read any of the books recommended about BPD? You still seem to have zero understanding of the disorder. Have you or not?

I have read Walking On Eggshells, but the book's advice is mainly telling me to act as a counsellor type figure to her rather than her boyfriend and to distance myself from her, and I am not qualified to be that counsellor-type figure, and I'm not strong enough to be distant from her either.
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03-04-2014 , 11:56 AM
Just because she has emotions doesn't mean she has legitimate, rational, and non delusional reasons for those emotions jfc.
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03-04-2014 , 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelScarn
Why should she be institutionalised? She's a good person from a bad background. Her Mum is dissapointed she rebelled against her, and is taking it out on her now by trying to coerce her into an institution she doesn't belong in, for a disorder that she caused her daughter to have. It's not fair what her Mum is doing to her, and it genuinely scares me to think what could happen to her if she had to go back to live with her Mum, or if she tried to start again on her own. I know and agree with everyone that says I'm not responsible for her. I know that and I get that, but you have to understand how hard it is for me to even think about the potential negative things that could happen to her if I acted as harsh as a lot of you are suggesting I should. It wouldn't matter how many friends I had either, it wouldn't make it any easier for me.

She needs help. Maybe she shouldn't be institutionalized like her mother things, but she needs serious help that you can never offer. You are a pushover. You aren't doing anything to make her better. I'm shocked you don't understand that. Because you put up with her crap, she can keep doing it. If you didn't she would need to modify her behavior which hopefully would be for the better. I'm not sure how you are not understanding that.


It's not fair to say she has little to offer me. She has offered me friendship, companionship and a reason to try and get better. And I honestly think that after the Big W interview that she saved my life. None of you will know how much that day affected me. When I called her to come over, I could barely speak I was so upset. All my life I had NEVER felt like that. Even Christmas 2012 wasn't as bad. And maybe it was me being an "over-emotional 5 year old" looking back on it, but it was a build-up of things, and I can't change the way I feel, but she was there for me when I hit that stage, which is more that can be said for anyone else I have ever known.

Your life is pretty sad that you are so overly affected by things like this. I'm glad you are getting help. My life isn't perfect by any means. In fact, I don't like my job right now at all. But life isn't perfect for anyone, so I deal with it.

Again your problem is you have no other real friends. You are overly dependent on her and she is on you (as others have mentioned you are co-dependent). That isn't healthy. Yes she offers you companionship. I'm not sure how she is making you better in the long term. I'm betting you will be an even worse wreck if this thing ever train wrecks which it likely will.

My point is you need to be fervent she get's better if you want this to work long term. If she doesn't, you are going to be in a much worse place when this is over. Right now you are letting her basically ride with her problem and she is probably getting worse instead of getting better. I'm guessing you have a really strong pain tolerance when it comes to her because you are so alone and depressed.


I went to the Bunnings Interview on Friday, and the whole time leading up to it, my gf kept trying to tell me I wasn't ready, and to be fair, I probably wasn't. I got there, and I was immediatly overwhelmed, because I saw there was over 15 people interviewing, when I was expecting just 5 or 6 to be there, so I felt like I sort of mentally shut down before it even started. We sat in a circle, and of course I am the one that had to introduce myself first, and I think it went OK considering that I was nervous. The interviewer went on to say that it's more important to be a good people's person than to have a large knowledge of Hardware(I don't know anything about hardware, and I'm not a people's person either.), and I realised pretty quickly they were looking for pseudo-happy retail drones and I wasn't right for the job. Like I tried to come across as positive as I could though, they went through some hypotheticals, and what you should do in those times, and got people to raise their hands when they had an answer, but I didn't raise my hand once, and I really just wanted it to be over without me saying something stupid. Towards the end, we were all asked about past experiences of coping with stressful situations, and past experiences with teamwork. I think I answered the teamwork one OK, because I brought up my past of being in a band, and how it's important to always follow each other, and the interviewer seemed happy with it, and then that was pretty much it. So, I don't think it went "badly" at all, but I don't think it went well either. I just sort of felt empty afterwards, and I came home, and my gf was actually supportive in that she wanted to hear how it went and was comforting.

Still haven't got a call back, and I'm not expecting one tbh, but it went 1000 times better than my first interview, so I'm OK and content if I don't get a call.

I have my second Psychiatrist appointment tommorow, and I haven't told my gf, just because I think it's easier and less stressful for both of us that way.
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03-04-2014 , 12:46 PM
OP is hopeless and, tbh, I no longer feel sorry for him. People have practically stapled his eyes open and he still refuses to see what is right in front of him.
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03-04-2014 , 01:18 PM
Good to hear she was supportive of you on the interview! Looks like she is turning the corner and really wanting you to do what is best for you, and not try to break you down so you doubt yourself so much that you're only option is her.
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03-04-2014 , 01:40 PM
i'm starting to think this thread is a level or OP is seriously the dumbest ****ing person on the planet, either way this is boring and repetitive and he is using this thread as a way to vent/justify his insane relationship. Get a therapist, one with a thick note pad and a lot of free time, you seriously need it.


edit - therapist probably isn't the best idea, because when I was in a relationship w/ a BPD I had a therapist and he eventually stopped giving me advice. Instead he would use different analogies over and over as to why I was making such a huge mistake with my life. I seem to remember reading somewhere in this thread that you're very young, early 20's? These are the best years of your life and to spend them with someone who abuses you mentally, physically, emotionally and financially makes no sense. There are plenty of somewhat stable women out there who won't throw plates at you. I just hope you fix this before you get in too deep, but if I had to guess you won't.

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03-04-2014 , 02:56 PM
MS,

Thanks for the update. You've got more balls than you think for just periodically coming back to this thread to update us. Keep going to the job interviews. Each will be easier and less stressful than the one before.

It really is almost pointless to keep giving you advice, but I'd strongly suggest that you re-read this entire thread at least once per week. If you do that, perhaps you will start to absorb some of the good advice that has been given repeatedly and see how many of the early comments really do apply to your gf now that you've gotten to know her better.
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03-04-2014 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by dalerobk2
OP is hopeless and, tbh, I no longer feel sorry for him. People have practically stapled his eyes open and he still refuses to see what is right in front of him.
This.

Some people are actually still trying. Not sure if that's because they want the OP to keep coming back and enjoy his failings or if they are genuinely good people with an infinite amount of patience and tolerance for failure.
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03-04-2014 , 09:34 PM
My favorite part is how he is convinced that gf's mum CAUSED her BPD.
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03-04-2014 , 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCollins
My favorite part is how he is convinced that gf's mum CAUSED her BPD.
A traumatic childhood could be a contributing factor of BPD though it is not the sole cause. Genetics along with chemical balances can also be a factor.

Of course, the parent-child relationship goes both ways. So yeah, saying the mother caused it is lolbad. It is very possible that she has played a role though. Between the parents story and the girl's story, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Clearly, MS is in no position to handle this as he is pretty messed up too. Honestly, sometimes I wonder who's the crazier one in the couple.

OP will continue to allow crazy girl to manipulate him into failure time and time again. We will read and find MS's situation miserable, funny, and pathetic which will give all of us a feeling of schadenfreude for continually ignoring everything we have been saying for months.

At this point, all we can do is enjoy the ride.
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04-01-2014 , 12:39 PM
Can we get an update OP?
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04-01-2014 , 03:37 PM
OP is dead folks.
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04-01-2014 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperUberBob
OP will continue to allow crazy girl to manipulate him into failure time and time again. We will read and find MS's situation miserable, funny, and pathetic which will give all of us a feeling of schadenfreude for continually ignoring everything we have been saying for months.

At this point, all we can do is enjoy the ride.
BINGO

Glad I got out of my BPD relationship, I still look back and laugh at how stupid I was... these people are experts at keeping you in their grasp
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04-01-2014 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by mr. degen
Can we get an update OP?
Afraid we wont be hearing from OP again.
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04-01-2014 , 07:03 PM
I realize you are joking, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was them.
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04-01-2014 , 07:14 PM
Thought he lived in Melbourne.

Non-zero chance of that outcome imo
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04-01-2014 , 08:24 PM
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Afraid we wont be hearing from OP again.
These are plausible enough that we have to at least glance at the article to see if it's him, which in itself is pretty lol.
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04-02-2014 , 03:30 AM
Hey guys. I dated someone for three months who displayed those symptoms of bpd . I'm glad I wasn't with them for longer because it was really draining dealing with the emotions that were involved at all times. Truth is it is never about you, it's always about the person who has bpd. It started great, all the characteristics of this disorder are very true, I never experienced violence from her but she did talk down to me pretty often, but anyway this relationship flipped for really no reason at all but it was always something she was in control of. Being a guy I kinda went with the flow, I'm pretty easy going person while she was extremely paranoid and critical of all things I was doing, when we first met she found no flaws with me, but in like 2 months she was finding little things to try stir stuff up. She did break up with me though I was feeling miserable at times with her, and would have done the same thing but I felt sorry for her and hoped she would feel better. I don't know if she was doing me a favor or she really wanted a reaction from me but I am glad I wasn't dragged even deeper than it could go. All my friends and family are glad that I didn't have to deal with this any longer, but I have to admit this took a lot out of me, cause it would always be about her and I would be an afterthought in everything , very glad i
Saw this thread , my sister in law told me that she thought my ex has this disorder but I didn't know for sure she had those symptoms but I definite,he think this is true now.
We stopped talking three weeks ago and I can assume she thinks very very little of me though I was a good boyfriend to her but I am glad I got out of it and now just have to find. A normal girl now
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04-16-2014 , 02:07 PM
I just thought I'd give you guys an update. Yes, I am still with my gf, and no, I don't have a job. I feel worse than I have in a long time. We got back into the routine of staying in bed practically all day just talking and listening to music. Everything just feels a lot darker in the relationship now for the most part, we had a whole half hour conversation on what would be the least painful way to suicide last week. Even with the anti-depressants, which was originally helping me get out of bed when I first started taking it, and made me feel more capable if not better, I have started having the same feelings of total hopelessness I was having before. Neither of us are eating anything really either, and I just feel like whenever I try to eat anything before the evening, that it's just going to come straight back up. She has started smoking regular cigarettes, and I have as well, just because I have really been craving and having the urge to smoke, and even though I think weed is better for you than cigarettes for the most part, I don't want to be mixing weed with meds. My nightmares are as bad as before, and it's ridiculous how vivid and intense they are. It's horrible because when you're depressed, you just want to sleep, but when you suffer from nightmares, you're worried about going to sleep, and it winds up playing on your mind even more.


But it got really bad after I had a panic attack 3 weeks ago. I had never had one before, at least to that extent. It was the scariest experience of my life, I had a lot of things on my mind, from my relationship, to my financial situation, to how am I going to get a job, and I saw a big spider at my feet, and I instinctivelly stomped on it. But it didn't die. It was hurt, but not dead. I stomped on it again, and it was just sort of desperately trying to crawl on 1 leg, I am guessing its other 7 were broken, and I wanted to put it the poor thing out of its misery, but it just wouldn't die. It finally stopped moving, and just out of nowhere I got really hot, and I felt out of breath and was really struggling for air. I have never felt as scared and desperate as that. I honestly thought I was going to die, and if my gf wasn't there with me who knew what was happening and helped me through it, I really don't know what would have happened. When I settled down, I felt hungover, and spent the next while just throwing up. Even when I felt better, I was just so shook up afterwards that I felt like I couldn't move, scared that something might trigger another attack. The next day, my gf told me that it was the Zoloft that my psych gave me and told me to stop taking it. I told her that I need to tell him about it, and she wasn't happy about it because she doesn't want me to see him anymore. I rang my psych and told him it was urgent, and he fit me in a short time later. I told him what happened, and he doesn't believe it was the Zoloft, and that it was a bad panic attack triggered by stress along with the sympathy and guilt of the spider, but to make me feel better, he prescribed me Celexa and that was it.


Speaking of finances, it's fine for now, but it might not be this time next year, and I have no idea what happens if I can't pay the bills. Like I know they would cut electricity and that, but I don't know if I would be forced to sell it and lose the house. If I lost the house, I would kill myself.
While I'm venting, I need to say, that there are things about my gf which really upset me as well, when I told her I felt really lonely, she got upset and told me I have no reason to feel lonely because I had her, and she took it personally, even though I didn't mean it that way at all. And when I tell her about my past, she listens and understands, but she has told me more than once that there is no comparison in our childhoods, because what happened to her was worse. It's NOT worse. We had different kinds of crappy upbringings, sure. That affected us differently, sure, but neither one of us had it "worse" or better than the other. Then I think about what would happen if she had another violent outburst and it got too much for me, or if she left me, and then I would have no friends, no close family, no girlfriend, and think about that for a second... how many women would date a guy that has no close friends and isn't at all close with his family? Seriously, think about that. Red Flags everywhere.


There are some positives though, I haven't smoked pot at all since I last posted, and neither has my GF, even though I have had huge cravings for it. My gf hasn't had any big outbursts and her Mum has stopped calling her for now. Despite all the sexual side-effects I was warned about when starting the anti-depressants, I'm happy to say I haven't had any of them, and sex is one of the few things I still enjoy, even though for the most part, it isn't the same crazy and wild sex we had in the first 6 months of the relationship. A couple of days ago she got her hair done, and seems a lot more postitive, and when she is positive, I am positive. I am going to start looking for a job again as well, because I need to start making some money, or I will have to go to Centrelink soon enough. I know this is a long post, and most of you will have only read up until here for schadenfreude or whatever, but this thread and some of the comments are what gave me the initial motivation to look for a job in the first place, and also to quit weed.
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04-16-2014 , 03:24 PM
Glad to see that you are alive and off the weed, OP. Good luck on the job search.
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04-16-2014 , 03:34 PM
I like the fact that you're moving in the right direction OP. Keep up the good work.
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04-16-2014 , 07:31 PM
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I like the fact that you're moving in the right direction OP. Keep up the good work.
Man, when I read that I read it as the worst one yet.

So you own a house, and have enough money to live for a year, and you're sweating finances?

And why all the talk about your childhoods? I'm sure most people had things happen that are ****ed up and they don't feel good about, but who cares? You're not a kid anymore and not helpless (or whatever the feeling is that you don't like from childhood), why keep rehashing it?
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04-16-2014 , 10:12 PM
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I just thought I'd give you guys an update. Yes, I am still with my gf, and no, I don't have a job. I feel worse than I have in a long time. We got back into the routine of staying in bed practically all day just talking and listening to music. Everything just feels a lot darker in the relationship now for the most part, we had a whole half hour conversation on what would be the least painful way to suicide last week. Even with the anti-depressants, which was originally helping me get out of bed when I first started taking it, and made me feel more capable if not better, I have started having the same feelings of total hopelessness I was having before. Neither of us are eating anything really either, and I just feel like whenever I try to eat anything before the evening, that it's just going to come straight back up. She has started smoking regular cigarettes, and I have as well, just because I have really been craving and having the urge to smoke, and even though I think weed is better for you than cigarettes for the most part, I don't want to be mixing weed with meds. My nightmares are as bad as before, and it's ridiculous how vivid and intense they are. It's horrible because when you're depressed, you just want to sleep, but when you suffer from nightmares, you're worried about going to sleep, and it winds up playing on your mind even more.

But it got really bad after I had a panic attack 3 weeks ago. I had never had one before, at least to that extent. It was the scariest experience of my life, I had a lot of things on my mind, from my relationship, to my financial situation, to how am I going to get a job, and I saw a big spider at my feet, and I instinctivelly stomped on it. But it didn't die. It was hurt, but not dead. I stomped on it again, and it was just sort of desperately trying to crawl on 1 leg, I am guessing its other 7 were broken, and I wanted to put it the poor thing out of its misery, but it just wouldn't die. It finally stopped moving, and just out of nowhere I got really hot, and I felt out of breath and was really struggling for air. I have never felt as scared and desperate as that. I honestly thought I was going to die, and if my gf wasn't there with me who knew what was happening and helped me through it, I really don't know what would have happened. When I settled down, I felt hungover, and spent the next while just throwing up. Even when I felt better, I was just so shook up afterwards that I felt like I couldn't move, scared that something might trigger another attack. The next day, my gf told me that it was the Zoloft that my psych gave me and told me to stop taking it. I told her that I need to tell him about it, and she wasn't happy about it because she doesn't want me to see him anymore. I rang my psych and told him it was urgent, and he fit me in a short time later. I told him what happened, and he doesn't believe it was the Zoloft, and that it was a bad panic attack triggered by stress along with the sympathy and guilt of the spider, but to make me feel better, he prescribed me Celexa and that was it.

Have you thought about getting more serious help yourself? I know your GF will hate but this doesn't sound very healthy. I'm pretty sure she doesn't want you ever getting better--think about every situation you've been with her and what she has tried to get you to do--it's to stay at her level.

Speaking of finances, it's fine for now, but it might not be this time next year, and I have no idea what happens if I can't pay the bills. Like I know they would cut electricity and that, but I don't know if I would be forced to sell it and lose the house. If I lost the house, I would kill myself.
While I'm venting, I need to say, that there are things about my gf which really upset me as well, when I told her I felt really lonely, she got upset and told me I have no reason to feel lonely because I had her, and she took it personally, even though I didn't mean it that way at all. And when I tell her about my past, she listens and understands, but she has told me more than once that there is no comparison in our childhoods, because what happened to her was worse. It's NOT worse. We had different kinds of crappy upbringings, sure. That affected us differently, sure, but neither one of us had it "worse" or better than the other. Then I think about what would happen if she had another violent outburst and it got too much for me, or if she left me, and then I would have no friends, no close family, no girlfriend, and think about that for a second... how many women would date a guy that has no close friends and isn't at all close with his family? Seriously, think about that. Red Flags everywhere.

She is in the exact same spot as you though, you both are screwed if you lose each other (She is actually even in a worse spot b/c she has no house and she is leaching off you). Most normal people never put themselves in this situation where they are overly dependent on one person. Obviously the plan should be to get a larger support team--something a ton of people have repeatedly stated for you to do.

JFC, who cares about which childhood is worse. The fact that they were both bad is all that matters. I think you should make it clear to her that's how it is.

She obviously doesn't understand anything about your situation and could careless about it. Shouldn't this be a hint something is up?

Since you are going to lose your house if things don't get better you better fix it or she is going to leave you--does she really want to be with someone she can't leach from and you are going to be living on the streets or something similar. Maybe that'll be better for you, you'll finally realize what's really going on.

There are some positives though, I haven't smoked pot at all since I last posted, and neither has my GF, even though I have had huge cravings for it. My gf hasn't had any big outbursts and her Mum has stopped calling her for now. Despite all the sexual side-effects I was warned about when starting the anti-depressants, I'm happy to say I haven't had any of them, and sex is one of the few things I still enjoy, even though for the most part, it isn't the same crazy and wild sex we had in the first 6 months of the relationship. A couple of days ago she got her hair done, and seems a lot more postitive, and when she is positive, I am positive. I am going to start looking for a job again as well, because I need to start making some money, or I will have to go to Centrelink soon enough. I know this is a long post, and most of you will have only read up until here for schadenfreude or whatever, but this thread and some of the comments are what gave me the initial motivation to look for a job in the first place, and also to quit weed.

Does she contribute anything $$$ wise or is she making your likely sinking into being broke, quicker? Other than her friendship and companionship what is she giving you?
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For someone like you who is incredibly lazy, depressed, etc. you need someone who will challenge you to get your life straight. Maybe there isn't a sane woman who would do that and be with you, but it seems like your GF choice is really bad for you. That's incredibly obviously though for anyone who has read this thread. You need a life coach buddy--someone who will challenge all your dumb ****.
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04-16-2014 , 10:17 PM
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I like the fact that you're moving in the right direction OP. Keep up the good work.
Sarcasm right? Having a half hour discussion about the best way to kill yourself isnt a good way to go.
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