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Old 11-21-2014, 06:49 PM   #151
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Re: Bill Cosby Is A Scumbag

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People like you and your ilk would have gladly railroaded those Duke kids without blinking or losing sleep, just on general principles.
Nancy Grace was at the head of the lynch mob and never did apologize or even admit she had been wrong.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:18 PM   #152
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Nancy Grace was at the head of the lynch mob and never did apologize or even admit she had been wrong.
Nancy Grace is a blithering idiot.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:20 PM   #153
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I'd like to see a list of prominent sex-abuse cases where the victim made everything up. I can only think of one, and it was a single victim.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:29 PM   #154
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Two years ago former California high school football star Brian Banks, who had spent five years in prison for raping his classmate Wanetta Gibson, was exonerated after Gibson contacted him to apologize and admitted making up the attack. In 2009, New Yorker William McCaffrey was released after serving four years of a 20-year prison sentence for a rape his friend Biurny Peguero had made up to explain her injuries from a fight with several women. In 2012 a Michigan man, James Grissom, was freed after nearly 10 years in prison when the woman who accused him, Sara Ylen, was caught making another false allegation (and faking cancer to bilk money from insurance companies and sympathetic donors).
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:31 PM   #155
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There's a reason why people going to bat for accused rapists always cite the Duke Lacrosse case.
This sort of snide posting is one of the main reasons that the politics forum is unreadable ****.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:32 PM   #156
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Court of law has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


We aren't a court of law. We are able to understand that it is completely unbelievable that 17 women all independently accused a beloved public figure of rape unless he did some seriously ****ed up ****. We are able to understand this even without an actual trial proving any one charge to be true.
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:46 PM   #157
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It is a distinct possibility that all of these 15 or so girls were rejected by Bill for tv roles back in the day which caused them to band together in order to destroy his reputation
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Old 11-21-2014, 07:50 PM   #158
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It is a distinct possibility that all of these 15 or so girls were rejected by Bill for tv roles back in the day which caused them to band together in order to destroy his reputation
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Old 11-21-2014, 09:57 PM   #159
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I'm still pretty confident ABD is joking, but I'm like 75% on his most recent post.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:08 PM   #160
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without knowing anything about his posting, I think its pretty clear hes joking. If hes not then it just shows how dumb that opinion is.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:13 PM   #161
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It's 100% that ABD's post is ironic.
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:25 PM   #162
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Will you give me infinite to 1 odds?
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:28 PM   #163
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Will you give me infinite to 1 odds?
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Old 11-21-2014, 10:44 PM   #164
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Court of law has a presumption of innocence until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.


We aren't a court of law. We are able to understand that it is completely unbelievable that 17 women all independently accused a beloved public figure of rape unless he did some seriously ****ed up ****. We are able to understand this even without an actual trial proving any one charge to be true.
Yep. I'm all for civil liberties and due process in criminal prosecution, but "presumption of innocence" is a standard for the (in this case non-existent) jury.

Where there's smoke here, there's probably fire. He is free to file a defamation suit if he thinks that one has merit (I realize that celebrities have a steep hill to climb in winning these, but the point would be more about clearing his name than in attaining damages...I'm presuming that he maintains financial stability on his own), but the pitfalls of that are pretty obvious if the accusations against him are true.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:02 PM   #166
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Two years ago former California high school football star Brian Banks, who had spent five years in prison for raping his classmate Wanetta Gibson, was exonerated after Gibson contacted him to apologize and admitted making up the attack. In 2009, New Yorker William McCaffrey was released after serving four years of a 20-year prison sentence for a rape his friend Biurny Peguero had made up to explain her injuries from a fight with several women. In 2012 a Michigan man, James Grissom, was freed after nearly 10 years in prison when the woman who accused him, Sara Ylen, was caught making another false allegation (and faking cancer to bilk money from insurance companies and sympathetic donors).
All single victims.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:04 PM   #167
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1. Lachele Covington. Covington, an actress who was 20 at the time, filed a police report alleging that Cosby pushed her hand toward his penis after inviting her to his New York home on Jan. 25, 2000 to give her career advice. The New York Post reported that authorities "decided no crime had been committed because until the very moment Covington pulled her hand away, all actions had been consensual." A Cosby spokesperson called the story "not true."

2. Andrea Constand. Constand told Ontario police in January 2005 that a year prior, when she was 31, she had visited Cosby at his home in Pennsylvania seeking career advice. (Constand, an Ontario native, worked at the time for Temple University, Cosby's alma mater.) Constand alleges he gave her "herbal" pills for anxiety, then “touched her breasts and vaginal area, rubbed his penis against her hand, and digitally penetrated” her. The Pennsylvania prosecutor who looked into the case has said that while he didn't bring charges because the available evidence was not sufficient, he found Constand "credible" and found Cosby "evasive." After prosecutors declined to charge him, Constand filed a civil suit against Cosby for $150 million; her suit cited, anonymously, 13 other women who alleged that he had sexually assaulted them. (Some of those women, referred to as "Jane Does" in legal language, have since identified themselves publicly and are mentioned below. The identities of Jane Doe witnesses are disclosed to defendants so their testimony can be fairly researched and challenged, but they are not ID'd by name in court or in public records.) Cosby's attorney called Constand's claims "utterly preposterous." The suit was settled for an undisclosed amount in 2006.

3. Tamara Green. In February of 2005, Green, a retired trial attorney, appeared on The Today Show and told Matt Lauer that Cosby had drugged and assaulted her in the '70s. Green was working as a model and met Cosby through mutual friends, she says, and he once offered her what he told her was cold medicine when she was ill. When she began to feel incapacitated, she alleges, he offered to take her home, where he began groping and undressing her; when she struggled, he left, leaving behind two $100 bills on her table. Cosby's attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green's maiden name, Lucier): "Miss Green’s allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen." Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand's lawsuit.
4. Beth Ferrier. In June 2005, Ferrier, 46 at the time, told the Philadelphia Daily News that Cosby drugged her coffee when she visited him before a performance in Denver when she was 25. Ferrier, who worked as a model, had been in a consensual relationship with Cosby that ended before the alleged assault; she met him through mutual acquantainces and had believed he would help her with her career. Ferrier was also a Jane Doe.
5. Barbara Bowman. In 2006, Bowman publicly identified herself as one of Constand's Jane Does via an article in Philadelphia Magazine, though she didn't discuss details of her accusation at the time. In October of this year—after comedian Hannibal Buress called Cosby a rapist during a performance—Bowman, now 47 and an artist, spoke about her experience to the Daily Mail. When she was 17 and pursuing a career as a model and actress, she says, she met Cosby, who she says pursued a mentor-mentee relationship with her and drugged and assaulted her multiple times. (While the Daily Mail can be unreliable, Bowman later vouched for its version of her account in a Washington Post piece.) Bowman's account mentions that during their first encounter he asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be drunk while he stroked her, an incident similar to those recounted by other accusers.

6. Joan Tarshis. On Nov. 16 of this year Joan Tarshis, a 64-year-old music industry publicist and journalist, told Hollywood Elsewhere that Cosby raped her twice in 1969 when she was 19 years old and pursuing a career as a writer in L.A. Tarshis says Cosby first assaulted her after he invited her to work on material with him in his bungalow and made her a drink that caused her to lose consciousness.

7. Linda Joy Traitz. Now 63, Traitz wrote on Facebook on Nov. 17 that Cosby assaulted her when she was 19 and working as a waitress at a restaurant that he partially owned. Traitz alleges that Cosby offered her a ride home from the restaurant but instead drove her to a beach and tried to force her to take pills to help her "relax." Traitz told CNN he then groped her chest, pushed her down, and tried to lie on top of her. Traitz has a criminal record that includes imprisonment on a drug trafficking conviction; in a response to her allegations, Marty Singer, an attorney representing Cosby, cited her troubled past and said she lacks credibility.

8. Janice Dickinson. On Nov. 18, model and reality TV personality Janice Dickinson, now 59, told Entertainment Tonight that Cosby sexually assaulted her in 1982. At a dinner in Lake Tahoe at which they were to discuss her career, she says, she asked him for a pill for period cramps, and that "the last thing I remember was Bill Cosby in a patchwork robe, dropping his robe and getting on top of me. And I remember a lot of pain." Singer, Cosby's attorney, called Dickinson's story "a fabricated lie." Dickinson says Cosby's attorneys kept her from including a description of the alleged assault in a 2002 book, but Singer says she never wrote such a description and was never contacted by Cosby representatives.
9. Therese Serignese. The Huffington Post printed allegations made against Cosby by Serignese, a 57-year-old nurse in Boca Raton, Florida, on Nov. 20. She says she encountered Cosby in 1976 when she was 19 years old; he was headlining a show at the Las Vegas Hilton, she alleges, and approached her in the hotel gift shop. Backstage in the green room, he allegedly gave her drugs, and when she came to he was having sex with her in a bathroom, she says. Serignese subsequently stayed in contact with Cosby and accepted money from him—which he had promised to give her if she pursued an education and received good grades. She told the HuffPo that at one point in their relationship (it's not clear when) he asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be an actress.

10. Carla Ferrigno. Carla Ferrigno, an actress and the wife of Incredible Hulk star Lou Ferrigno, told Rumorfix on Nov. 20 that in 1967 Cosby grabbed her and forcefully kissed her at a party while his wife was in another room.

11. Louisa Moritz. Moritz, a 68-year-old lawyer and onetime actress who appeared in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, told TMZ in a story published Nov. 20 that in 1971, Cosby forced her to perform oral sex on him in the greenroom of The Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson. Singer responded by saying allegations against Cosby have "reached a point of absurdity" and alleging that Moritz has been the subject of professional sanctions: "Mortiz is a lawyer who was disciplined by the California State Bar and ordered not to practice. We pulled the documents -- she can't practice because she didn't report certain quarterly reports."

12. Renita Chaney Hill. Hill, now 47, says she met Cosby when she was 15 and he was filming an educational TV segment in Pittsburgh. Hill says they stayed in touch for four years—that Cosby flew her to meet with him in various cities and kept in touch with her parents, asking them about her grades in school. On Nov. 20 a Pittsburgh CBS affiliate broadcast an interview with Hill in which she said she believes Cosby drugged and sexually assaulted her on more than one occasion during their relationship.

13. Angela Leslie. On Nov. 21, the New York Daily News reported that a 52-year-old former model-actress named Angela Leslie says that Cosby sexually assaulted her in Las Vegas in 1992. Leslie alleges Cosby fixed her a drink, asked her to wet her hair and pretend to be intoxicated, and masturbated using her hand while she was "in shock."
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:05 PM   #168
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All single victims.
yes, and?
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People in the US love to take isolated incidents and turn them into huge rallying points.

OMG Chick-Fil-a guy sent something religious he believes in, I'm never gonna eat there again.
OMG Jimmy Johns guy hunts, Im never gonna eat there again.
OMG some fuzzy little foreigner taxi guy bitched out girl for cancelling a ride, I'm never gonna ride Uber again.

GTFO People

Bill Cosby has been spoiled most of his life. It wouldn't surprise me if he truly believes he did nothing wrong.
Probably thought the roofies were some kind of loophole around rape and as long as she can't say no, it's all good!
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yes, and?
This discussion got started because some posters were saying to presume Cosby innocent until proven guilty and such, and referencing the Duke lacrosse case as an example where everyone judged the defendants guilty but were actually innocent.

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Wasn't there just one victim in the Duke Lacrosse case though? Seems with like 15 or more women coming forward in this one there should be much less doubt.
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I'd like to see a list of prominent sex-abuse cases where the victim made everything up. I can only think of one, and it was a single victim.
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Two years ago former California high school football star Brian Banks, who had spent five years in prison for raping his classmate Wanetta Gibson, was exonerated after Gibson contacted him to apologize and admitted making up the attack. In 2009, New Yorker William McCaffrey was released after serving four years of a 20-year prison sentence for a rape his friend Biurny Peguero had made up to explain her injuries from a fight with several women. In 2012 a Michigan man, James Grissom, was freed after nearly 10 years in prison when the woman who accused him, Sara Ylen, was caught making another false allegation (and faking cancer to bilk money from insurance companies and sympathetic donors).
but they were all single-victims so don't really apply to the Cosby situation where more than a dozen people have come forward to say they were raped.

Again, we were talking about how we shouldn't presume Cosby guilty because "look at the Duke case!" That's not a good comparison because of the 1 alleged victim coming forward vs. 10+ coming forward. So providing more examples of single victim instances where the victim was lying doesn't really prove anything.

In this case, there seems to be a pretty big pile of evidence supporting the case that Cosby is, in fact, a scumbag.

Edit: Also, your examples were only prominent because it turned out the victim was lying. Tuma was (I believe) asking for examples where the defendant was well-known.
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Old 11-21-2014, 11:52 PM   #171
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Old 11-22-2014, 12:07 AM   #172
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It's 100% that ABD's post is ironic.
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Two years ago former California high school football star Brian Banks, who had spent five years in prison for raping his classmate Wanetta Gibson, was exonerated after Gibson contacted him to apologize and admitted making up the attack. In 2009, New Yorker William McCaffrey was released after serving four years of a 20-year prison sentence for a rape his friend Biurny Peguero had made up to explain her injuries from a fight with several women. In 2012 a Michigan man, James Grissom, was freed after nearly 10 years in prison when the woman who accused him, Sara Ylen, was caught making another false allegation (and faking cancer to bilk money from insurance companies and sympathetic donors).
Thanks. I spoke about Cosby with a lawyer friend over dinner. Depressing conversation obviously. He did mention this happening a bit in the south back in the day, one involving a white girl and a bunch of black dudes.

The number of accusers is most bothersome. I wonder if there's been a case where more than two people falsely accuse the same person of sex crimes.

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Wasn't Michael Jackson found innocent of all the molestation charges?

IIRC, there were numerous kids (and their families) involved and they were all discredited.
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If Bill Cosby was white you think he'd get the "we love you Bill!" treatment? That's an...interesting perspective. Jian Ghomeshi (most Americans don't know him, but hes apparently beloved in Canada) just lost his job and became a social pariah because of similar accusations.



He was accused of assault by some.
For clarification purposes, the Jian Ghomeshi allegations are NOT the same as the Cosby ones. None of them involved drugs or rape. They involved violence during sex and whether or not it was consensual. He claimed it was "BDSM" and they knew he was into it, they claim he beat the **** out of them without warning. Not the same thing.
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