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03-24-2008, 02:40 PM
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centurion
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Sunnyvale, California
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
First off, excellent post OP. Thanks for doing this.
My wife and I had jokingly talked about doing this a few years ago, and I recently read a story about this guy who went sailing in the Indian Ocean. Your post rekindled my desires to sail the world, so thank you.
I am like you were, I have never sailed before but I grew up around boats who ventured in Puget Sound near Seattle.
Just a few questions.
1) Boat selection. Any recommendations? How much should I budget for a boat, I have seen 40 ft monohull boats between $80K and $200K+.
2) Living in the Bay area now, I have already found a number of 'sailing schools'. Many of them offering US Sailing Certification classes. Did you take anything like this?
3) I am confused, on your last leg of your journey you made the decision to sail 35 days straight without hitting land. Why did you not make a decision to stay closer to land, and make landfall every couple of weeks? Why did you not at least make a stop at St Helena or Ascension? Just curious your thinking.
Again, loved the story... Thanks!
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03-24-2008, 02:56 PM
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#152
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: LA via The OC
Posts: 6,103
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
Regarding the falling overboard and being as good as dead...
Aren't there GPS transmitters that can be worn at all times? I think I remember something about it with The Deadliest Catch TV show. Not sure what the cost would be, but seems like it would be worth whatever it costs as a precaution.
EDIT: Found a site with some options. Looks like they are affordable. Seems like something that should be a must-have for an around the world trip...
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/a...erboard_alarms
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03-25-2008, 03:06 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Hermosa Beach
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
Best thread I've read since the first time I saw those Moshzilla pics. Freaking awesome. Thanks Cap'n.
What was the one thing you missed most from back home? (besides family/friends)?
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03-25-2008, 03:07 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by Dr. Moreau
Just a few questions.
1) Boat selection. Any recommendations? How much should I budget for a boat, I have seen 40 ft monohull boats between $80K and $200K+.
2) Living in the Bay area now, I have already found a number of 'sailing schools'. Many of them offering US Sailing Certification classes. Did you take anything like this?
3) I am confused, on your last leg of your journey you made the decision to sail 35 days straight without hitting land. Why did you not make a decision to stay closer to land, and make landfall every couple of weeks? Why did you not at least make a stop at St Helena or Ascension? Just curious your thinking.
Again, loved the story... Thanks!
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yes, but it is hard to make a recommendation w/o more info. if you are interested, i would need more information regarding your plans, # of people, budget, preferences, etc. will gladly try to point you in the right direction. you can get a nice capable boat in the price range you mentioned.
i didn't take any courses, i am self taught, i do think a few courses would be a good idea. i have friends in the bay area that circumnavigated that are instructors.
it was actually 50 days, & we needed to get home, etc., etc.. sailing closer to land is not a good idea -it is more dangerous. you are much more likely to have a problem close to land.
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03-25-2008, 03:11 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr
Regarding the falling overboard and being as good as dead...
Aren't there GPS transmitters that can be worn at all times? I think I remember something about it with The Deadliest Catch TV show. Not sure what the cost would be, but seems like it would be worth whatever it costs as a precaution.
EDIT: Found a site with some options. Looks like they are affordable. Seems like something that should be a must-have for an around the world trip...
http://boatingsailing.suite101.com/a...erboard_alarms
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there are so many precautions that can be taken. if you continue to prepare for every possibility & purchase every piece of safety gear available - you will never leave & your boat will sink from the weight off all the things you buy.
we were not on an unlimited budget. when you have a budget you have to make hard choices. honestly, this really did not seem like a high priority to us. just don't fall overboard.
Last edited by de captain; 03-25-2008 at 03:17 AM.
Reason: of all the people we met who were also circumnavigating, i never met any one with personal epirbs.
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03-25-2008, 03:15 AM
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#156
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by GrooveNougat
Best thread I've read since the first time I saw those Moshzilla pics. Freaking awesome. Thanks Cap'n.
What was the one thing you missed most from back home? (besides family/friends)?
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a good pizza would be right up there!
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03-25-2008, 03:33 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by BrunoThePug
Awesome thread, thanks OP. A few questions:
1. When I (most people?) think of "sailing" I picture the spoiled kid from New England sailing around on his dad's expensive boat with a silly outfit. Is this even a remotely fair generalization of your average sailing enthusiast?
2. You said you play live poker. Is this in St. Thomas? If so, isn't it all regulars? Or do you get some cruise ship tourists?
3. Is it possible to sail the other direction (east)? When I was reading this at first I just assumed that you'd sail east, I don't know why, but in my head that's what made sense.
4. What exactly does the auto pilot do? Help with steering?
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1. they exist,, but no, they definitely are not your average sailor. pick up a copy of cruising world, or lattitudes & attitudes mag. to see your average sailor & get an idea of the lifestyle.
2. it is in st. thomas, mostly. there are some tourists, but mostly regulars - lots of well off jewelers. i would tell you more, but then i would have to kill you.
3. it is possible to go west to east - this isthe direction most around the world races run. the problem w/ going west -east is that you pretty much have to go around the horn & you will be always sailing at lower lattitudes. this means much rougher waters, colder weather & fewer enjoyable ports. almost all cruisers sail east -west.
4. the auto pilot steers the boat so you don't have to hand steer 24 hrs a day.
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03-25-2008, 03:47 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by Boris
Wow. This is very interesting. Most people who study the subject say that people greatly underestimate the chances of rare events occurring. You seem to greatly over estimate these chances. That being said, I would NEVER do anything for fun where I had a 1 in 5 chance of dying. If you are being truthful, I find it incredible that you would do this journey and think your odds of survival were 65/35. I think even the most hardcore mountain climbers and free solo rock climbers put their odds of survival at better than 65/35.
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if not for fun, then what would you risk your life for? i know now that my chances of survival were much higher, but at the time i had never sailed anywhere, really knew very little & it seemed pretty risky.
obviously solo free climbers would put their risk lower. 1. they have a good deal of experience before going to these extremes 2. you have to be pretty self confident.
of course i never told anyone i might not come back. i am saying late at night when i couldn't sleep, those are the real odds i would give. i would bet there are some solo free climbers who, late at night, when no one knows would puts their odds this low, of course you will never really know. you either have the balls to risk everything or you don't & believe me i am sure some of them are not sure that they will live - but they have balls the size of your head.
what odds would you give yourself to: get online buy a boat & sail around the world in the next 5 years? greater than 65/35? i am assuming you have never sailed before, for this equation to work.
uughh, i just got home, had a good night, nice win & have had a few drinks to unwind. when i reread this, it seems to come off as beligerant- this was not my intention. i am trying to explain the thinking involved, sorry.
Last edited by de captain; 03-25-2008 at 04:01 AM.
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03-25-2008, 03:52 AM
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stranger
Join Date: Mar 2008
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
This thread was linked on P5's. I just signed up on here so I could thank OP for this great thread.
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03-25-2008, 03:56 AM
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by LaMont Sanford
This thread was linked on P5's. I just signed up on here so I could thank OP for this great thread.
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wow, thank you.
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03-25-2008, 04:02 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Cincinnati
Posts: 716
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
Wow...just incredible, I've read every post in the last few hours and love the story and thread.
I have 2 exams this week, a paper to write, and much more reading to catch up on; yet I've had eyes glued to this thread when I should be sound asleep.
I'm only 18, and this is something I definitely want to do in my life. I have a word document with places I want to live, places I want to visit, and things I want to do in my lifetime. This was promptly moved towards the top of my list. I failed at BR management after making a solid amount of money playing poker the past few years and gave up the game as a result. As a result, I've pretty much resigned myself to working a 9-5/6/7/8 job after college to make some bank, but ideally I'd like to do this for no more than 5-7 years, and then begin living more on my terms, doing things I want to do.
Thanks for sharing captain, threads like this and adsman's regarding his travels have helped reaffirm my desire to see the world and live what most would consider a more unconventional lifestyle than that of the 9-5 bubble which I could easily be destined for otherwise.
I was going through your brother's pictures and had one question. Did you guys get souvenirs at your various stops, or did you basically limit yourselves to pictures so as not to take up valuable space aboard the boat? Looking at, for example, the picture of the masks towards the end of the trip, I found myself thinking about how hard it would be not to load up on items from the different places you stopped.
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03-25-2008, 04:28 AM
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#162
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adept
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Been around
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by TomfooleryU
Wow...just incredible, I've read every post in the last few hours and love the story and thread.
I have 2 exams this week, a paper to write, and much more reading to catch up on; yet I've had eyes glued to this thread when I should be sound asleep.
I'm only 18, and this is something I definitely want to do in my life. I have a word document with places I want to live, places I want to visit, and things I want to do in my lifetime. This was promptly moved towards the top of my list. I failed at BR management after making a solid amount of money playing poker the past few years and gave up the game as a result. As a result, I've pretty much resigned myself to working a 9-5/6/7/8 job after college to make some bank, but ideally I'd like to do this for no more than 5-7 years, and then begin living more on my terms, doing things I want to do.
Thanks for sharing captain, threads like this and adsman's regarding his travels have helped reaffirm my desire to see the world and live what most would consider a more unconventional lifestyle than that of the 9-5 bubble which I could easily be destined for otherwise.
I was going through your brother's pictures and had one question. Did you guys get souvenirs at your various stops, or did you basically limit yourselves to pictures so as not to take up valuable space aboard the boat? Looking at, for example, the picture of the masks towards the end of the trip, I found myself thinking about how hard it would be not to load up on items from the different places you stopped.
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this was my brother- he was the "smart one" w/ an incredible corporate job after college. i ruined him. when we got back he was supposed to go right back into the corporate world w/ a job that payed really well, but he just couldn't bring himself to do it.
we definitely got some souveniers. interesting side story: when we were in south africa gf came to visit. we went to some of the most incredible boutique wineries - incredible wines you can't buy unless you visit & personally ship it home. you simply can not buy it in the states. we purchased many cases of fine wine for me to bring home via boat. the plan was we would have a nice addition to our collection & on special occasions, bring out a bottle we had saved, to share w/ friends.
the passage home went from 35 to 50 days & by the time i got home there was little wine left to put in the collection. gf was pissed!
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03-25-2008, 08:24 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: center of universe
Posts: 10,070
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
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Originally Posted by de captain
what odds would you give yourself to: get online buy a boat & sail around the world in the next 5 years? greater than 65/35? i am assuming you have never sailed before, for this equation to work.
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I have sailed before so the answer is zero. I was drinking beer and smoking hash in a cafe in Ibiza. One of the dudes at the table was in the process of sailing solo from London to Isreal. He wanted a companion for the leg to Sicily. I volunteered. Made it as far as Mallorca before I decided I'd had enough. The boat was so small it only had a tiller, no steering wheel or auto-pilot. The first night this massive storm hit and I was white knuckled for hours with one hand on the tiller and the other hand on a railing so I wouldn't get washed over board. After the first hour I resigned myself to the fact that I would probably die. Then it wasn't so bad. What killed me was when morning came and the wind completely died. so friggin boring. Thus ended my sailing adventures.
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03-25-2008, 01:13 PM
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#164
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stranger
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Southern Illinois
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
I am also from p5's and I signed up just to tell you that this is hands down the best thread I have ever read. I have read every reply and this thread definitely delivers.
Here are a few questions for ya.
1) Space browies?? Where did you get them? Did you bring them from home? Did they make you paranoid on the waters?
2) You have already said what the worst experiences were with the storms. But what would you say was the best experience (minus the fact that you sailed around the world)?
3) What legal obstacles did you have to overcome to go? Did you have to get special permits or a special license or anything to chart in international waters?
4) What country that you visited had the best looking women?
Thanks again OP..this is an amazing thread.
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03-25-2008, 02:17 PM
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adept
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,160
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Re: ask me anything about sailing around the world
hey man, cool thread. thx!
u wrote, that u didnt leave ur boat for long, because u were afraid to "lose" it.
are most ports too unsafe to leave the boat there for a couple of days while touring? I mean I understand that this applies to some island-ports with no real infrastructure, but even western city-ports like sydney or so? arent they guarded?
it must suck a bit to be in a foreign country and not able to travel into it - just staying in the port mostly guarding the boat...
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