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Old 07-16-2012, 03:33 AM   #61
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If you don't draw anymore, why do rapidograph pen manufacturers seem to be all over the internet?
Wow they look pretty cool after a bit of research. Ive never seen them before. Well pens stopped being used by draftsmen about 20 years ago. The google images looked like artists use them.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:39 AM   #62
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Thoughts on Google SketchUp?
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:40 AM   #63
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When you say every last detail is accounted for, including bolts and things of that nature then how big does the final printed version end up being or do the builders look at it on a computer at the site?

I never realized plans/blue prints went into that much detail. I guess you give the builders an exact paint by numbers schematic to building a house in such a way that anyone without knowledge of the trade could build it if they somehow knew how to operate the tools?
Well when we hand it off to the detail draftsmen he creates drawings of all the pieces, and lists them all.

Well our company does a lot of electrical substations. A full substation design, including stormwater drainage, civil works and structure (we dont do any of he electrical work), will be about 40-60 A1 pages. Each page will have a few drawings on it.

Yeah one of my draftsmen bosses once said to me. When creating a drawing, pretend you have to explain to a monkey how to build it through the drawing. Cos buildiers are fairly brainless even though the site manager is pretty smart and well educated.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:41 AM   #64
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Not really. They are pretty tame.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:48 AM   #65
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Do you resent the fact that you do all the leg work and the architect/engineer gets all the credit and makes 5x the moneyz?
http://www.seek.com.au/Job/mechanica...burbs/22691661

The above link is for teh average qualified draftsmen in australia.

I dont do all the leg work. The engineer does. If anything, the work is boring. I just get the stuff put in front of me and I draw it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:54 AM   #66
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It's a symbiotic relationship between the two, but as posted above, the draftsman is a dying breed. Anyone with elementary computer skills can use AutoCad or other programs without the time lag of an intermediary. Mostly because bespoke design is a thing of the past. Use your own design that is close, then alter to fit the new criteria.
The thing about drafting is that it is a simple task.

Say an engineers hourly charge out rate is $250. Do you really think a client who sees, say 40 hours of Level 4 engineer @ 250 plus 15 hours of drafting @ 250??

WHen those drafting hours could be charged out at ~$150/hr by a draftsmen.

It is simply not worth it for an engineer to learn CAD. As long as you are busy, you are losing money if you are drafting while being an engineer.
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Old 07-16-2012, 03:55 AM   #67
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But there was an episode of the Brady Bunch where Mike (an architect) is brought in because there were structural problems with the house he designed.
The source does seem solid and the Brady Bunch was from the 70's.

Ill allow it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:01 AM   #68
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Thank you for taking the time to do this. You have found someone that this could truly benefit.

I am a rigger in the entertainment industry. I produce my own "gig" drawing, and do my best to model in 3D. I am entirely self-taught.

I am very interested in presenting the most professional looking work product that I can, in line with ISO standards. Unfortunately, I can't find any reference to what this amounts too.

I look forward to a dialogue, and hope this is enough to get the ball rolling.

Thanks!
What do you currently use??

Ok am I imagining this correctly when I think you are drawing up pictures of the stage, lights, towers, curtains, back stage etc??

I dont think any drafting product will work for you. You would want something more along the lines of an architecture program. You could probably use CAD to produce some 3D drawings but its expensive to buy (unless u wanna be illegal) and is not friendly for 3D drawing unless you have it set up well, which takes time.

I really don't know what program would be good for you.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:02 AM   #69
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Tell me you can autocad a more detailed and precise digitizing that this and I will call you a liar



here is the original design:
How long did that te and what did you use?

I could do it. Itd take way too long tho.
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have you ever heard of or used QuickCad?
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:06 AM   #71
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So you find it demeaning that, since you are only a draftsman, that you have to make and serve the coffee in the office?
I have never once made, served or bought a coffee for anyone in the office.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:14 AM   #72
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A draftsperson use to only need 1 year of technical training which consisted mostly of manual drafting courses. Nowadays, drafting is of course computerized and is mostly performed by technologists requiring a minimum of 2 years study and possessing a much more diverse and technical skill level.

Technologists are often hired to work with Engineers and/or Architects of larger companies or Engineering firms working on larger projects which require stamped engineered drawings. However, if you walk into any small to mid-size company with an engineering department, you won't likely find an Engineer or Architect on the payroll. They simply can't afford one. Instead, it will be ran mostly by technologists including the head of the department, senior and junior level draftspersons, and senior and junior level estimators.

Even companies that design and build residential housing can rarely afford to hire an Engineer or Architect unless they are building very up-scale custom homes, and even then they will often just pay a firm to stamp the design drawings drawn by an architectural technologist.
What country is this? I have never heard of a technologist before...

Well our company is a consulting engineering company with about 60 engineers and 50 draftsmen. So your case is very different.

In Australia, draftsmen must do a 2 year full time course at TAFE (I dont know what this is equivalent to in America). Our company lets our apprentice draftsmen do either a civil course or a structural course at TAFE which is purely up to the apprentice. It teaches us how to design.

It teaches us about foundations, stormwater design, force systems. When you finish the certificate you recieve is a Diploma of Structural Engineering. This can be used to enter University to do a Bachelors degree.

I left school with an ATAR of 97 and did Engineering at University for 2 years and hated it. SO I dropped out and became a draftsmen. And I love it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:15 AM   #73
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Thoughts on Google SketchUp?
Isnt that an App? lol

Ask me about paint while your at it.
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:21 AM   #74
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What country is this? I have never heard of a technologist before...

Well our company is a consulting engineering company with about 60 engineers and 50 draftsmen. So your case is very different.

In Australia, draftsmen must do a 2 year full time course at TAFE (I dont know what this is equivalent to in America). Our company lets our apprentice draftsmen do either a civil course or a structural course at TAFE which is purely up to the apprentice. It teaches us how to design.

It teaches us about foundations, stormwater design, force systems. When you finish the certificate you recieve is a Diploma of Structural Engineering. This can be used to enter University to do a Bachelors degree.

I left school with an ATAR of 97 and did Engineering at University for 2 years and hated it. SO I dropped out and became a draftsmen. And I love it.
Yes, I should have mentioned this is in Canada. A technologist here seems to be on par with a draftsman in your country. Interesting thread btw
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:32 AM   #75
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Have you tried EtchaSketch?
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