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Old 07-22-2016, 03:04 PM   #7376
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Most large jets that do that work have a lead plane such as a King Air out in front doing the navigating.
In passes one (dash cam), two, and four you can see the lead plane out in front of the DC-10.



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Old 07-23-2016, 12:40 PM   #7377
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Definitely looks like fun flying. One of my buddies is one of those pilots at Neptune and I get jelly every now and then. He's in the fire planes with props though, not the jets.
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Old 07-24-2016, 04:10 AM   #7378
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I have never heard of any such practice and it makes no sense to me, so I think the person you talked to was misinformed. I've never felt the desire to fly low over a city but I did used to get permission from Buffalo Tower to fly over Niagara Falls at 3000' before proceeding on course.
You ever fly into San Diego? The planes flew so low while landing that you couldn't help to duck. The airport, I think, was at the bottom of some mountains, and we were kind of close the airport as well.

What is considered "low" over a city? The planes, from my perspective, are huge, but how high up were they? These definitely didn't seem to be 3,000 feet.
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Old 07-24-2016, 11:21 AM   #7379
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I live about 9 miles directly east of the airport here, when the planes are landing on runway 27 they are about 2500 feet when they pass my house.
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Old 07-24-2016, 05:14 PM   #7380
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Re: Ask me about being an airline pilot or flying in general

You are right about San Diego. The approach from the east follows the contour of the land during the decent. It can create a disturbing illusion from the cockpit and it's especially important during a visual approach (i.e. when not flying an ILS) to cross-check the altitude vs. distance to the runway. So at, say, two miles from the runway we are about 600' above the TDZE (Touch Down Zone Elevation), but less than 600' above the ground.
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Old 07-25-2016, 09:23 AM   #7381
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Watched "Charlie Victor Romeo" last night. It's basically a reenactment of several aviation disasters. The dialogue is all verbatim transcripts from the cockpit voice recorder. Highly recommended.

Very intense, I was having heart palpitations through various points of the film. Would make for a great in-flight movie.
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:05 PM   #7382
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So at, say, two miles from the runway we are about 600' above the TDZE (Touch Down Zone Elevation), but less than 600' above the ground.
Is there an instrument that tells you your elevation relative to TDZE, or do you have to watch your elevation above sea level and know the TDZE and do the math and at the same time monitor AGL?
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Old 07-25-2016, 06:25 PM   #7383
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Is there an instrument that tells you your elevation relative to TDZE, or do you have to watch your elevation above sea level and know the TDZE and do the math and at the same time monitor AGL?
You have to do the mental math, BUT... we also have a radar altimeter (RA) which gives height above the ground as a digital readout on the Primary Flight Display. This begins displaying automatically at 2500' agl. For relatively flat terrain (e.g. around JFK), this is very close to height above the runway. At San Diego, it would be a big mistake to treat RA as height above the runway.
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