in MI it's civil infraction to refuse a Preliminary Breath Test (PBT). There is a fine but no points. Refusing a breathalyzer at the station is a misdemeanor, fine, 6 points, license suspension. And then they just get a search warrant for your blood.

lol?

the point is the death penalty isnt a deterrent for one of the only crimes for which its given, which was made.

wtf is your point? that if we kill people for shoplifting, people wont shoplift? Or that china manages 2/3 our prison population with 5x our general population by "executing all their shoplifters?" (before someone takes this literally, obv a metaphor for relatively harsher punishment for smaller crimes) because guess what bro? thatd be the propoganda

someone said that the reason there were fewer prisoners in china is that there was the threat of execution for more crimes

posting that there is not a correlation between the death penalty and murder rate is in no way an argument to that

lets make an example: say that tomorrow it is announced that across the united states the death penalty is in effect for speeding. you hear on the evening news that thousands of people were sentenced to execution for speeding, confirming that it is strictly enforced. how fast do you drive to work on monday?

So this one it is, then. lols

I'm confused Charmer. Are you stating his stance re: the death penalty in China is inaccurate or just that it's propaganda?

yep, Im saying its absurd to attribute the vast gap between our per capita incarceration rates to "people in China being too afraid of the oppressive government to do anything." thats what the original poster I quoted was doing, and yea its total propaganda

What do you attribute the difference to?

an almost indistinguishable melting pot of reasons imo... Im no China-scholar, but Id guess cultural differences and differences between laws on the books are the paramount two (I would also guess these two things if asked the same question re: any of europe, so that leads to my next thought)

Itd be easier to address why our incarceration rate is so inflated compared to RoW, with the war on drugs leading the pack of course. Following up somewhere behind are other gross things like the institutionalization of imprisonment.

well thanks then, i'll take your word as gospel

note that you still havent addressed the guys point that the death penalty for more offenses leads to less crime, only rationalized that the correlation between the death penalty and murder rates in the US proves that it has no impact while coming up with your own reasons for the correlation between the death penalty and incarceration rates in china. so i guess when you say theres an impact there must be, and when you say theres no impact there cannot be.

you dont have to take my word as gospel to acknowledge that simplifying an almost impossibly complex question down to one propaganda point is absurd

again

say that the US institutes the death penalty for speeding. it is strictly enforced and widely publicized that people are getting executed for speeding such that everyone knows about it.

is it absurd to think people would speed much less?

im not going to take a bat to your strawman, there is no purpose

except showing that you posting murder rates does not prove that "the death penalty doesnt deter crime"

go be wrong elsewhere

well, it seems that very harsh penalties not only reduce the crime rate but also the prison population. dkgo made the course of action pretty clear.

lol, get real you child. cant make an argument -> resort to this.

id encourage you to go be wrong somewhere else, but i see around 45 thousand reasons that wont happen