Apple iPad Thread

[Aloysius]

Originally Posted by Freakin

I think he was referring to the ~50 apps recently found in the Android marketplace with malware in them. There haven't been similar reports from the Apple store and it has been around longer with MUCH MUCH larger volume. I think the Apple app store sold the iPad (and spread the need for smartphones in general).

Yes, sorry should've clarified - malware Android Market Apps.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381390,00.asp

This is, of course, only going to get worse...

-Al

[dknightx]

Originally Posted by Aloysius

Yes, sorry should've clarified - malware Android Market Apps.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2381390,00.asp

This is, of course, only going to get worse...

-Al

what do you base your "only going to get worse ..." off of?

Malware is a problem for both Android and iOS, and in fact I would be more weary of apps in iOS doing malicious things because the App Store approval policy will give users a false sense of security. Its easy for an App to get approved without any malware "activated" and then the developer can easily turn it on. This is because Apple does not require the source code as part of the approval process and only requires the executable, so its easy enough to hide certain code paths that can later be activated:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10446402-245.html

Regardless, if your reason for not buying a phone or computer is fear of "malware" or "viruses" then you should not be buying anything.

Edit: things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGiN...layer_embedded should also be concerning for all phone users because it goes to show you that once someone gets access to your device, they may be able to get more information then you think they would (since getting this information on a regular PC/Mac is usually much more difficult, if not impossible). its a crazy new world we live in ...

[stackers14]

http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/w...ring-539-pric/

i guess the xoom is actually going to have a 539 wifi only version, so its the same price as the ipad 2.

[suzzer99]

So the resolution is the same on this? What about the 4x pixel thing?

http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/gaming....iref=allsearch

Behind the screen

Contrary to what the rumor mill had been expecting, there was no improvement in screen resolution -- meaning the iPad 2 is already lagging behind the iPhone 4, with its much-touted retina display. (An iPhone 5 is expected later this year.)

And while Jobs told us how many frames per second of video the new iPad's cameras would shoot, he didn't mention megapixels. This is not a spec he has been shy about announcing when it came to iPhone models.

[MumMumMumMah]

Originally Posted by oldgrandma18k

Straight copy/paste from http://gizmodo.com/#!5773009/motorol...like-it-or-not

u thought i actually wrote that out myself lol?

[stackers14]

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...toll-on-truth/

[Freakin]

Originally Posted by stackers14

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/...toll-on-truth/

This just in: Apple sells products through advertising and hype

Hate on the product, not the marketing. There are plenty of specs you can use to dismiss the product as inferior...

[Forelius_]

Yeah, the iPad 2 is a joke for something that's supposedly the next generation. I can't believe how the media is swooning over it. I mean, it's an exciting product, but this upgrade is a dud for a year down the track.

[stackers14]

Originally Posted by Freakin

This just in: Apple sells products through advertising,hype and grossly exaggerated and distorted facts

Hate on the product, not the marketing. There are plenty of specs you can use to dismiss the product as inferior...

fyp

yeah apple has a great marketing department. thats why they have so many fanboys that are too blind to see past the hype to the real product. oh well.

[The DaveR]

Originally Posted by Forelius_

Yeah, the iPad 2 is a joke for something that's supposedly the next generation. I can't believe how the media is swooning over it. I mean, it's an exciting product, but this upgrade is a dud for a year down the track.

Yeah, I don't understand why an update for the most successful product and market launch of last year would be noteworthy. Particularly given that it's coming from the biggest market cap technology company in the US, the biggest corporate turnaround story in 30 years, or the most widely admired CEO of our time.

Say what you will about the products or how lemming-like their customers are, but Apple is big news when they do anything.

[Aloysius]

Originally Posted by dknightx

what do you base your "only going to get worse ..." off of?

As smartphone and Android platform adoption increases, the Android Market will become a much bigger target for haxors to develop malware. So I'm basing this on 1) pretty transparent marketplace developments and 2) assuming that an open, unregulated marketplace will not be able to quash the growing threat.

Malware is a problem for both Android and iOS, and in fact I would be more weary of apps in iOS doing malicious things because the App Store approval policy will give users a false sense of security. Its easy for an App to get approved without any malware "activated" and then the developer can easily turn it on. This is because Apple does not require the source code as part of the approval process and only requires the executable, so its easy enough to hide certain code paths that can later be activated:

Even if this is all true (I'm not an app developer, so I have no idea) - currently the malware score is:

Apple App Store: 0
Android Market: 50 (and counting)

So, again, what you're saying may be correct, but we have no evidence of this in the market as consumers. Also, I know (from having pushed distribution of iOS apps through the process for work - though I'm not a technologist I'm a business strategy guy), that the evaluation of apps at least seems very rigorous on Apple's end. More so than with Android... so I assumed this means "increased evaluation of security issues" as well - and I think this follows common sense wise, but who knows maybe I'm wrong.

But still, I'd have to assume that it's fair to say that Apple monitors more closely for malware than Android? (Unless you're saying that's impossible to do... which again, seems unlikely.)

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-10446402-245.html

Regardless, if your reason for not buying a phone or computer is fear of "malware" or "viruses" then you should not be buying anything.

Edit: things like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVGiN...layer_embedded should also be concerning for all phone users because it goes to show you that once someone gets access to your device, they may be able to get more information then you think they would (since getting this information on a regular PC/Mac is usually much more difficult, if not impossible). its a crazy new world we live in ...

This is, imo, an overly reductive view. Sure, any piece of hardware with software connected to the Internet is vulnerable. But that's not really my point - my overall point is that from a consumer experience standpoint - it seems based on evidence today that the Apple iOS app experience is better, and from a security standpoint safer, than the Android Market app experience - largely due to Apple's rigorous evaluation and protocol standards set.

-Al

[Forelius_]

Originally Posted by The DaveR

Yeah, I don't understand why an update for the most successful product and market launch of last year would be noteworthy. Particularly given that it's coming from the biggest market cap technology company in the US, the biggest corporate turnaround story in 30 years, or the most widely admired CEO of our time.

Say what you will about the products or how lemming-like their customers are, but Apple is big news when they do anything.

I'm not complaining about the coverage of the event, but how irrationally pro-apple it is. This update is a big failure, and will see the iPad decline, given that iPad 3 is apparently not coming until 2012. This is curtains for apple's market share beginning 2012. They dropped the ball and viable competitors are going to crowd this market from spring.

I own an iPad despite an intense hatred of Apple and Jobs, so I have a high opinion of the hardware. The software is awful and once decent software writers (i.e. people who understand what consumers and businesses want, such as Microsoft) have hardware to work with, it's curtains for Apple.

[The DaveR]

Originally Posted by Forelius_

I'm not complaining about the coverage of the event, but how irrationally pro-apple it is. This update is a big failure, and will see the iPad decline, given that iPad 3 is apparently not coming until 2012. This is curtains for apple's market share beginning 2012. They dropped the ball and viable competitors are going to crowd this market from spring.

I own an iPad despite an intense hatred of Apple and Jobs, so I have a high opinion of the hardware. The software is awful and once decent software writers (i.e. people who understand what consumers and businesses want, such as Microsoft) have hardware to work with, it's curtains for Apple.

When you start at 100% falling market share is pretty much inevitable, duh.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

I don't think malware is really a problem with Android apps, at least any more so than it is for say a Windows PC. you can install anything you want on there, but most reasonable people would agree that that's not really a smart thing to do. just like I don't go to ukranian porn sites on my PC and download their "media players" I pay attention to what I install on my phone.

the bigger problem is apps that drain battery or are buggy, etc. all in all, I'm not sure which app situation I prefer. there may be less chance of out and out malware on iOS, and there is probably less of a chance of any given app not working right or being a resource hog, but I also don't like being told by Cupertino what can or can't go on the device that I own.

but things like facebook and pandora or twidroyd or dropbox or ebay - ie the 10 or so apps I actually use - are totally fine either way

[MumMumMumMah]

Originally Posted by Forelius_

I'm not complaining about the coverage of the event, but how irrationally pro-apple it is. This update is a big failure, and will see the iPad decline, given that iPad 3 is apparently not coming until 2012. This is curtains for apple's market share beginning 2012. They dropped the ball and viable competitors are going to crowd this market from spring.

I own an iPad despite an intense hatred of Apple and Jobs, so I have a high opinion of the hardware. The software is awful and once decent software writers (i.e. people who understand what consumers and businesses want, such as Microsoft) have hardware to work with, it's curtains for Apple.

something tells me Apple will still have 50+% of the tablet pc market at a minimum come 2012 when they likely will introduce a significantly improved and upgraded iPad 3. I wouldn't be surprised if they release it even earlier in 012 than they released the iPad2 in 011.

Microsoft isn't even entering the tablet market till 2012.