jm,

I will never tip an uber driver. Totally ok with drivers all going on strike until uber raises the fee enough to pay you what you think is fair though.

UberPOP is how they call the uber drivers that are not taxi. We (the dutch) have specific laws against illegal taxi's so there is an Uber for official taxi's and then there is UberPOP which is for drivers like discussed here. UberPOP is illegal and fined 50k by the government for every Uber driver that is being arrested. In the meantime Uber is spending their time in the court room to try and get it all overruled (which isn't going to happen). Uber drivers are being intimidated, having their cars scratched/messed up and straight up threatened by regular cabbies and their following.

Why tip anyone then?

They're called Jitneys in 'Murica.

Lol, how can they strike if they're not even acknowledged as employees

Hi Garcia!

You can find a long list of them here plus links to articles with even more: http://www.quora.com/Why-did-Peter-T...call-Uber-evil

J,


Still waiting for you to show me where I walked anything back. Sorry you got suckered by their deceptive marketing, thought you were smarter than that. But that still doesn't change the fact that your argument about them promoting their no tipping policy was a poor one.

lol

My argument was it makes them a ****ty company. It does.

J,

They heavily promote as a core uber value proposition that it's an all-inclusive fare and you don't have to tip.

They make this clear to drivers and customers, and drivers sign up 100% knowing that policy.

They then continue to promote/publicize that policy.

In what way is that ****ty?

When you signed up to drive for uber, were you aware about uber's position re: tipping?

What El Diablo and others are missing:

If a thinking person sits down at a restaurant and sees a notice that gratuity is not necessary, even if the meal is great, they will have thoughts that the owner is unethical and leave the restaurant questioning their experience--reason being is that serving tables sucks, and most other restaurants aren't encouraging people not to tip.

What seems problematic with Uber is that most riders tip when they ride in a taxi, without thinking twice, as it is an industry standard. Yet, because tipping isn't offered through the app, and the existence of a scummy marketing attempt that admonishes tipping, people (because most aren't thinking) don't recognize it as appropriate to tip.

Cabs are much more regulated, and will cost more. Uber cars are generally cleaner, nicer, and less expensive, so even with an app cabs really can't compete.

Won't be striking. But if enough people no longer feel that driving for uber is worth it, they'll stop doing so. Uber will have to raise their compensation to get people driving for them again. Supply and demand will figure it out.

Seems like they're not paying people "enough" right now because people haven't really figured out how poorly they're paid because they haven't factored in gas costs and depreciation. They will once it's no longer new.

Having no boss and working whatever hours you feel like seems pretty awesome tho.

I don't think people are missing anything.

When I go to a restaurant that says gratuity is not necessary, my first thought will be that they are paid a normal salary instead of relying on tips. Otherwise, why wouldn't the wait staff just work at another restaurant? There are no shortages of places hiring servers.The only time I would think they are underpaid would be if it is a family run restaurant, and they have family members just "helping out".

As for Uber, I am aware that they circumvent certain regulations and assume that is where I am getting superior service at a lesser cost. The drivers have also agreed to being paid at certain rates, and continue to do so. I'm not really concerned if they're making much less or more than industry standards because they are doing so of their own violation. The drivers generally have nice cars, are friendly, and do not seem to be in a bad situation. They can exit the game at any time they please, unless they purchased a car for the sole purpose of doing Uber, in which case it was a bit reckless on their part to make a 5 figure investment on such a new tech company.

It's not like drivers are getting no benefits at all. A huge percentage of them are doing it on free time where they would otherwise have nothing to do. Some are unemployed or stay at home parents and suddenly have an extra influx of cash where they would otherwise have nothing. All these are perks they get from using Uber, that cab drivers do not get. If they're earning a few bucks less because of this, I personally think it is a fair exchange. "Lol I don't have to tip" is generally not what is running through most people's minds.

This, the problem isn't so much the app but the price Uber can drive you around for which is close to impossible for legit cabbies due to legislation.

The same gosh darned reasons that people work crappy jobs elsewhere.

My neighbor drives for Uber and we talk about his job often, along with the points brought up in this thread more recently. When riders ask him if he likes driving, he sells the good points, and brings up the bad sides of Uber too, making it a point to explain the benefit of them encouraging riders not to tip is to solely increase marketshare...to which people almost always reply: "Wow, I didn't realize people tipped Uber drivers, I thought I wasn't supposed to tip because it's not inclusive in the app," followed by them almost always leaving him a tip.

Is federal/state income tax taken out of your pay each week?

If not, I wonder what percentage of drivers properly plan for and/or pay the correct amount.

Schedule 6.

That's a good question. The irony is if they properly tracked their mileage, and assumed driving to jobs as a business expense (it's a grey area), it would wash almost or all of their liability.

Tuma,

Not missing anything.

Uber's whole pitch is that the industry standards of the taxi industry are bull**** and uber is changing them. One of those things is the industry standard of tipping. Uber is a different service than taxis, and one difference is that tipping is not a standard part of the uber service.

It's exactly the same as restaurants that say the tipping culture is messed up and believe a no-tipping all-inclusive price where the restaurant pays staff appropriately is a better policy. You don't tip at those places because they explicitly tell you that the prices they charge are set based on being able to pay sufficient wages without needing customer tips to make up the difference.

That's what uber says as well. Then it just becomes a question of whether or not the wage uber pays is one that's attractive enough to get drivers. Of course I have zero argument with anyone who says that is too ****ty a wage to make driving uber something worthwhile for them to do.

Do you think riders should tip on uber black rides? How about 2.8x surge uberx rides?

And I don't really see a crusade against people having to work crappy jobs except for a half hearted "yea I wish they could make more too".

I understand drivers would be better off if there wasn't a no tipping ad, but the company itself wouldn't be. All corporations do this in one form or another. I just think that if the drivers go into the gig knowing that is how it is advertised, then nothing shady is happening. The drivers making more translates into the company making less because tipping will raise the cost for the users and some users will inevitably not use it anymore.

Uber seems great for part time drivers who do it for spare cash, since every bit helps and they're free to judge whether the compensation is worth it. Full time drivers getting shafted in other areas like changing certain rules and prices are much easier to sympathize with, but the tipping part was made clear from the very start. I didn't start using Uber because I wanted to save on tipping, but I certainly won't start tipping just because some drivers think they deserve an extra few bucks an hour. Many, many workers deserve to get paid more, and I'm not in the position to judge which ones should be and will be paying what the norm is.

I tipped my uber driver this morning, he said "are you sure" and almost seemed legit shocked. Considering it was a 18 dollar bill to the airport (11 miles)--and I tipped him 2 bucks--still not too bad of a deal.

That's not a tip

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I gave him something. It was more for helping me with my bags. I had some ones, I'm not tipping him 5 for an 18 dollar ride. Sorry I'm not baller like you are.

If there is one concrete thing Uber does that I disagree with is they charge $1 rider safety fee for each ride for what I have no idea.

I for one applaud Uber for crusading against the ridiculous tipping culture which pervades the USA

How so?