100% Ban Pfunk, fattony and also 239 he is clearly a shill.

Its beyond a joke.

I asked some questions before from these idiots and never received an answer to a resonable and simple set of questions. Instead I got a 'Fail' reply.............suprising.

Their argument is not to dispute the EVIDENCE but rather pollute the thread with such unbeleivable bull**** and ridiculous claims that are NEVER backed up with evidence or sourcing. If anything quite the contrary, they source fake / fabricated evidence or quotes from shill sites or from the accused own books, ffs its a joke. (or they source actual evidence that ruins their view but then dispute it with some strange logic)

The evidence they shy away from time and again and then shower us with 'what ifs' and experts are all wrong, everything is contaminated, nothing points towards amanda and raf despite ALL the evidence of.... confessions, false accusations, phone call to mum?, DNA evidence, staged breakin, clean up, and footprints proven to have been forged by shills on their site to fit rudy, the blood on or near the window recently 239 tried to say was rudy WHEN its not human blood and thats expert opinion yet he knows otherwise. And thats just off the top of my head.

This thread will have plenty of mileage once we get to the next stage of legal proceedings. Until then this ridiculous effort by the shills to derail and fill this with personal insults at times is pointless and these idiots should be banned.

of course you had no idea. they were in italian.

She was talking about being at Raffaele's place

That's a totally bogus translation and not accurate.

Feel free to post the rest of it then.

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Also I am still waiting on the page number for the source for Knox recanting on falsely accusing Patrick.

I will shortly. She was being sarcastic about Raffaele doing that.

I don't know what thread you're reading Road Rage, but I'm the one that brought Rep 199, the presumed bloodstain on the window, to this thread's attention, sourced from the official court documents and said that it tested negative for the human species test. Essentially everything Henry responded to Fat Tony with on this issue he learned from me. At least get your facts straight before you freak out on the internet.

lol .. is this just habit for you to deny everything with whatever excuse is most convenient?

That was a quote from Knox's prison diary. How exactly is translation an issue since Knox's writes in English?

it was a diary and as far as I know diaries are not peer-reviewed.

Amanda: Yes, there is a doctor. I took a medicine for a headache this morning, and now I feel better, but the reason I was crying yesterday is because there was this pressure on my head that wouldn’t go away because I felt horrible, this person looked at me as if I was a horrible person and I collapsed.

Edda: Like I said, the lawyers believe that they are doing it on purpose, because they sure have nothing, so they are trying to put pressure on like when they interrogated you to see if you would say something more and so you have to keep calm and do not say anything to anyone.

Amanda: Yeah, when I was in the room with him I said what? ... (Laughs) and then when I returned to my bedroom I was crying. I’m very, very worried for this thing about the knife... because there is a knife from Raffaele ...

Curt: Well, here, here, here are the facts… we talked yesterday with the lawyer and asked him about the knife. Every time that they have to review an item we have an expert there that will review it with them. This is an example of... this knife of which they are talking about, they have never notified anything about the knife.

E: So, it’s bull****!

A: Is it bull****?

E: It’s bull****.

C: It’s complete bull****. It’s a total fabrication.

E: That's what they're doing now. They are simply lying.

C: It's all a fabrication...

E: Yes, to make someone break down.

A: It’s stupid. I can’t say anything but the truth, because I know I was there. I mean, I can’t lie on this, there is no reason to do it.

C: Yeah, yeah, so what you have to do is not to talk about anything with anyone. Don’t write anything. You may receive letters. Have you received letters or anything else?

A: I'm getting loads of letters from admirers.

E: Well, people in Seattle, even your friends will start to write. They been asking me for some time, they want to send you things... probably many things can’t get through, e… but...

According to Henry that's Amanda admitting she was at the cottage. She's asking her parents to help her understand the knife that according to you she killed her friend with!!

GHIRGA: All right, now I'll pass to another subject, the recorded conversations of the 10th and the 17th of November. The dates aren't important but it's about two conversations in prison, the first one with your mother on Nov 10, we talked about it before, and the second on the 17th with your mother and your father, both. They were transcribed, they must be in the dossier of the GUP. In these conversations, on the 10th with your mother, on the 17th with your mother and your father, there is a sentence... [long pause, flipping pages]here it is: it's the famous sentence "I was there. I can't lie about this. I'm not scared of the truth." Here it is, page 8, Presidente, of the transcription Nov 17. I repeat, she's speaking with her parents, and she says: "It would be stupid to lie about this because I know I was there." Do you remember that conversation?
AK: Of course.
GHIRGA: What did you mean by "I was there".
AK: I was in Raffaele's apartment and I wasn't afraid [laughing] to say it.
GHIRGA: Excuse me, you should speak to the Presidente.
AK: Oh, I'm sorry. When I said "there", I meant in Raffaele's apartment.
GHIRGA: So when you said "there", you meant "in Raffaele's house".
AK: Yes.>>

Here's some of the diary.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/n...x-diary/1.html

Here's some transcripts. There's more in Follains book and Murder in Italy.

http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39

RockSlickz,

You can't think your way out of a paper bag. If they told her had HIV, why would she list the partners she couldn't possibly identify?

"A guy I ****ed at a club in Seattle. He had brown hair and a big dick"
"This guy called Peter I met at a party, don't know his surname"
"A guy called Frederico I randomly had sex with on a train and it was really exciting"

For one there's no point and for two it makes her look like a slut. This is a girl who acted like a callous weirdo (as testified by multiple impartial people) after her flatmate got killed, you think she's compiling a list of every possible sexual partner with care (even the ones who can't be identified) and that this somehow proves something? WTF is wrong with you?

Remarkable memory about an inane aspect of a conversation. Remarkable memory for a girl who can't remember multiple hours of the murder night or an incriminating highly unusual phone call to her mother in the early hours:

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Comodi: You said that you called your mother on the morning of Nov 2.
Amanda: Yes.
Comodi: When did you call her for the first time?
Amanda: The first time was right away after they had sent us out of the house. I was like this. I sat on the ground, and I called my mother. (Note: This is the 1324 call.)
Comodi: So this was when either the police or the carabinieri had already intervened.
Amanda: It was after they had broken down the door and sent us outside.


Comodi: But from the records, we see that you called your mother – not only from the billing records but also from the cell phone pings – that you first called your mother at twelve. (Note: this is the 1247 call – actually much later than 1200.) At midday. What time is it at midday? What time is it in Seattle, if in Perugia it is midday?
Amanda: In Seattle it’s morning. It’s a nine hour difference, so, ah, three in the morning.
Comodi: Three o’clock in the morning?
Amanda: Yes.
Comodi: So your mother would certainly have been sleeping.
Amanda: Yes.

Comodi: But at twelve o’clock, nothing had happened yet. That’s what your mother said…
Amanda: I told my mother…
Comodi: …during the conversation you had with her in prison. Even your mother was amazed that you called her at midday, which was three or four o’clock in the morning in Seattle, to tell her that nothing had happened.
Amanda: I didn’t know what had happened. I just called my mother to say that [the police] had sent us out of the house, and that I had heard something said about…
Comodi: But at midday nothing had happened yet in the sense that the door had not been broken down yet.
Amanda: Hm. Okay. I don’t remember that phone call. I remember that I called her to tell her what we had heard about a foot. Maybe I did call before, but I don’t remember it.
Comodi: But if you called her before, why did you do it?
Amanda: I don’t remember, but if I did it, I would have called to…
Comodi: You did it.
Amanda: Okay, that’s fine. But I don’t remember it. I don’t remember that phone call.

Massei: Excuse me. You might not remember it, but the Public Minister [prosecutor] has just pointed out to you a phone call that your mother received in the small hours.
Commodi: At three o’clock in the morning.
Massei: So, that must be true. That did happen. Were you in the habit of calling her at such an hour? Did you do this on other occasions? At midday in Italy, which corresponds in Seattle to a time when… It’s just that we don’t usually call each other in the middle of the night.
Amanda: Yes, yes, that’s true.
Massei: So either you had a particular reason on that occasion, or else it was a routine. This is what the Public Minister is referring to.
Amanda: Yes. Well, since I don’t remember this phone call, although I do remember the one I made later, ah. But. Obviously I made that phone call. So, if I made that phone call, it’s because I had, or thought that I had, something I had to tell her. Maybe I thought even then that there was something strange, because at that moment, when I’d gone to Raffaele’s place, I did think there was something strange, but I didn’t know what to think. But I really don’t remember this phone call, so I can’t say for sure why. But I suppose it was because I came home and the door was open, and so for me…

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Her mother's testimony:

Yes, [Amanda spoke] very quickly. I told her to call the police. She said Raf was finishing a call with his sister and then was going to call police. This was the first call.

This is yet another lie that Knox told, like the one she told Filomena that she'd already called the police. Here's the timeline:

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12:34 p.m. Filomena calls Amanda. In her witness statement, Filomena says, "We spoke to each other for the third time and she told me that the window in my room was broken and that my room was in a mess. At this point I asked her to call the police and she told me that she already had." (Note: Filomena remembers this call, incorrectly, as coming in at 12:45).

12:47:43 Amanda calls the US for 88 seconds from Via della Pergola (p346).

12:50:34 Raffaele calls his sister, 39 seconds, from Via della Pergola (p342).

12:51 p.m. Raffaele calls 112. They get suspicious because what he says is odd and nonsensical for someone who just discovered a burglary, and he hangs up

12:54 p.m. Raffaele calls 112 back and keeps it short and simple.

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Raf was very clearly not finishing a phone call with his sister. So, two lies told by Amanda that morning about things that weren't happening as testified by two reliable people. Notice a pattern much? I'm sure she's telling the truth about what she meant when she said that though - and has excellent memory!

Multiple people say you are an idiot who should be banned. Most of those same people do not call for 239 to be banned. I wonder what the difference is? Is it your better knowledge of the case and excellent reasoning abilities compared to 239? Or is it your constant idiotic claims that waste everyone's time, such as the most recent one that she "retracted everything" immediately, when she clearly didn't? And now your idiotic claim that because her list of sex partners for the purpose of notifying HIV didn't include a guy on a train she couldn't identify or contact, she mustn't have slept with him?
Right. The ones she could identify.

It's not a lunatic rationale. It's a sane rationale. Why would you list people who can't possibly be identified and contacted? "Brown haired guy from a Seattle club with a big dick" or "Guy called Frederico on a train" is not useful in a list of partners that need to be contacted about HIV.

Her own writing?

Both Filomena and her mother were lying or mistaken about things which they have clear memories, or she lied to them. Take your pick?

Everything she has done has shown that she's a serial liar and an idiot. She lies for expediency in the particular situation and gets caught, as she did here and many other times. I mean, we know for a fact from multiple witnesses and Knox herself that:

1. Claims in several writings and testimony that she found the locked door worrying and tried to break it down
2. Told multiple witnesses that "Meredith always locked her door, even when she goes to the shower" when others were there with the postal police wanting to break the door down. This claim is totally contradicted by Filomena who says she never locked her door even when she was out, only locking her door once when she went to England.

Can you explain this behavior? Why would she say #2? There are multiple witnesses who testify that she said it.

WTF is wrong with you that you can't understand the most basic aspects of human behavior?

The argument is answered above, very, very clearly. You are just the biggest idiot on this forum:

You are a very weird person. You're assuming and requiring rational motives in a person who does not act rationally. Seriously, get out of your house for a while and see how the world functions. Much of the world does not act rationally. They aren't that common, but there are other girls like Knox who lie often and obviously for expediency, either because they are mentally ill (pathological liar, sociopath, narcissist), are stupid and can't put together a watertight set of lies, or because they want to eliminate some pressure in the moment and don't think through the consequences or are lazy. We have two witnesses, one her mother and the other reliable, giving testimony that proves she lied about calling the police. It's extraordinary that both misremembered something that was said to them - the same lie.

They're either both mistaken or Knox did indeed lie to them both. Which is more likely?

There is a clear and unequivocal pattern of Knox telling weird lies that don't rationally make sense, including on that very day when she lied to multiple witnesses that Meredith always locked her door even when she went to have a shower.

These aren't lies. If you look at it from innocence all I see is translation and memory problems from witnesses trying to recall who said what and when during a stressfull event in the minutes before the door is kicked down.

Amanda is speaking english, Filomena is speaking italian.

The only lie I've ever found is she told the cops Meredith didn't smoke pot.

No, you just spend too much time in your house and not enough time around people.
It's quite simple, man. You are making an argument:

- That she didn't have sex on a train because she didn't include the guy she met on a train in her list of sex partners.
- That she wasn't a slut since she only listed 7 partners and she would have listed all her sex partners including the quick ****s in parties or from clubs or from a train if she thought she had HIV

I am saying this argument is dubious at best. There are multiple reasons why she wouldn't write a comprehensive list - some out of self interest and some out of simply not even knowing the guy's names or contact details (had she had casual sex). Given her amazingly spotty memory on the night of the murder just days before, you somehow think she's remembering to list all her one night stands weeks, months and years before. Furthermore you require this argument to make your point. It's farcical.

Oh and let's not forget the fact that if her list of sexual partners was accurate, her email to her friend claiming she had sex on a train was a lie...

Now compare this to what you wrote. In bold is Henry's tabloid version probably from Barbie and below what she really wrote.

That night I smoked a lot of marijuana and I fell asleep at my boyfriend's house. I don't remember anything.

"But I think it's possible that Raffaele went to Meredith's house, raped her and then killed.

"And then when he got home, while I was sleeping, he put my fingerprints on the knife. But I don't understand why Raffaele would do that."



Henry & Barbie are frauds.

So...you ignore the part where I destroy your argument and start asking for sources for the line at the end? OK.

News articles reference that it is in the prosecution case. I do not know if that is true that it was mentioned by the prosecution. It was certainly reported in the media and not denied and in fact confirmed by the family:
The UK Daily Mail says:
The Examiner claims:
The Guardian, a very respected newspaper, claims:

Note: Knox, not the media. So, I consider this adequately sourced given that her own sister does not deny the email and says it was a lie told by Knox:
What insanity? Sourced claims from reliable newspapers? A quote from the family member themselves supporting my viewpoint? You say you've read the story. Are you claiming that someone forged an email in Amanda Knox's writing style? WTF for? An email that was then not denied by anyone?

Your inability to reason is breathtaking. Moreover this is meaningless minutia that you've chosen to waste yet more time with.

Time for you to be banned again. Keep "raging war" for Knox man.

You and your friends constantly want people banned yet you keeping talking to him. Use the ignore button or don't talk to someone if you don't like them.

I won't engage with Oski because I find him to be an annoying pest and a heckler who tries to derail the conversation and offers nothing whatsoever but I don't want him banned.