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View Poll Results: Is Amanda Knox innocent or guilty of murdering Meredith Kercher in Perugia Italy?
There is reasonable doubt here and should be found not guilty. 289 26.23%
She is guilty as can be and should be found guilty. 441 40.02%
She is completely innocent and should be acquitted. 113 10.25%
Undecided 259 23.50%
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:53 PM   #6541
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Re: Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?

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So you were talking out of you ass. It is ok -- it was obvious and now I'm just being mean.
Do you want me to post the charts?

Fine.



I find it laughable that you're presenting yourself as an expert on DNA analysis btw. Well done.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:11 PM   #6542
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Re: Amanda Knox....Innocent American on trial in Italy or cold-blooded murderer?

Tell me what the chart means?

What do you want to include / exclude and why?

Also what impact does your answer to question #2 have on the evidence?
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:11 PM   #6543
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I'm not joking. Rudy was convicted of the same murder without any knife evidence to speak of. That we have anything knife-related in this trial is something of a blessing considering how often murder weapons disappear down ravines and storm drains.
Eh the evidence that Rudy was present when Meredith died is overwhelming and didn't require the actual murder weapon. His footprints are right next to the bed that has the bloody knife imprint on it and his DNA on the purse on that bed. That gets you fairly close the knife being in his hand. Couple that with his shoe and handprint on the pillow underneath the body and his DNA inside her and I'd say you have decent evidence he was involved in the murder. Call me crazy.

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- Carried the knife to Meredith's house. (obv?) Knife wasn't actually Raffaele's but instead came with the apartment he rented, which is inventoried by landlords and could be identified by the landlord as missing.
So that particular knife was inventoried? Can you prove that? Raf had a knife collection why did they carry this knife to the murder. If they carried it to the murder for the purpose of murdering are you arguing this was premeditated? Please provide a believable narrative supported by the evidence. I argue you can't do it.

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- DNA but no blood means it's from tissue. Fat, skin, muscle, etc.
No blood *anywhere* on the knife yet it has starch from vegetables meaning it didn't get cleaned all that well. It's also amusing that the pro-guilt folks argue that cleaning destroyed the DNA in the bare footprints yet here they argue it didn't.

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- Raffaele said her DNA should be on the blade. What is your explanation for this and why should it not be counted as evidence against him?
I've explained this before you just choose to ignore it. The dude was in prison fighting for his life, freaked out having panic attacks and facing evidence that he couldn't explain. He didn't tell anyone the story you think points towards his guilt nor did they offer this as an argument in court. So it's pretty clear this wasn't a *statement* as you like to call it.
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- Amanda was "very worried" about the knife.
If you were innocent and got charged with murder and your fingerprints and DNA all over the murder weapon would you be very worried about it?

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- Stephanoni corrected C+V and said it was talc particles from the gloves, but if it was not clean, as you say, and contamination is achieved very easily, should there not have been Raffaele DNA on his own knife either by prior contact or from mingling with his other knives?
Not necessarily. It's funny that you all hitch your wagon to Stefanoni simply because she agrees with your predetermined outcome of guilt. You aren't objective in the least.

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- With the acknowledgement of Amanda and Raffaele that the knife is very important and the fact that two knives had to be used as indicated by the injuries to Meredith, and it is in fact compatible with her biggest injury, whether "the" knife matches the bed print is rather beside the point, isn't it.
No, that's just a bunch of stuff you said. In reality all of the forensic experts said the wounds could have been been inflicted by one person and one knife. That you choose to ignore that and state otherwise as fact is amusing but doesn't make your assertion fact.

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This is excluding the DNA analysis itself. So where exactly does it fail?
Everywhere. It fails the basic logic test of why did they carry a kitchen knife over to Amanda's place and kill Meredith with it. You can't even answer the very first question with anything that doesn't result in laughter.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:13 PM   #6544
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Everywhere. It fails the basic logic test of why did they carry a kitchen knife over to Amanda's place and kill Meredith with it. You can't even answer the very first question with anything that doesn't result in laughter.
Why the knife was there has nothing to do with the DNA.

Why should we exclude the knife when the independent reviewer said there is no chance of contamination and confirmed that Meredith's full profile was present?
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:15 PM   #6545
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Tell me what the chart means?

What do you want to include / exclude and why?

Also what impact does your answer to question #2 have on the evidence?
Henry this socratic method stuff is getting tiring. RTIGF is Stefanoni's interpretation, NS Lettura is the correct interpretation, and Alleli non letti are the unread alleles meaning the ones she left out.

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The impact is it reveals that other donors could be there in addition to RS and Meredith.

Are you going to answer my questions now Professor Self Pwnage?
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #6546
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Why the knife was there has nothing to do with the DNA.

Why should we exclude the knife when the independent reviewer said there is no chance of contamination and confirmed that Meredith's full profile was present?
Because they didn't say that and concluded it shouldn't be considered as evidence against the accused. Why the knife was there has everything to do with it. You pro-guilt folks can't even tell us a reasonable story of what happened. It's a farce. You want to point everyone to the mountain of mystery when this is such a simple case.

Why was it there?
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:17 PM   #6547
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Wow, at this point I'm actually beginning to feel bad for 239.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:23 PM   #6548
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Henry I don't have a handler. This case has been won. Amanda is free and not going back to an Italian prison. You lost. That being said they show in the report the what she ignored by listing her interpretation next to theirs. Surely you've been over it.

I've already said none of this speaks to anything about Meredith and Raf's DNA being there. Not sure what point you're making.
ok if this case is over and amanda won then im asking me why are you still here and defending her like a maniac?
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #6549
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ok if this case is over and amanda won then im asking me why are you still here and defending her like a maniac?
I've already answered this question but why does it matter? It's just arguing on the interwebz. Maybe iPoker will come back soon
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:26 PM   #6550
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Wow, at this point I'm actually beginning to feel bad for 239.
Well done Bert. I'm reeling.
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Old 10-27-2011, 06:37 PM   #6551
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I've already answered this question but why does it matter? It's just arguing on the interwebz. Maybe iPoker will come back soon
ok then please answer it one more time for me again or quote your answer because im not interested in going through millions of posts.

oh well its just arguing on the internet..hmm im wondering you have nothing else to do beside arguing(in this case) over the internet the whole day? you are doing other things? you said your job is on the internet..what are you exactly doing?not too much if you lurk here all day and night and discussing the same things over and over?what is your intention/motivation?and dont tell me "im just arguing over the internet" because not even the biggest retard will belive you that.

and what are you talking about ipoker?!they are not down or anything which skin you are playing on?
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It's also amusing that the pro-guilt folks argue that cleaning destroyed the DNA in the bare footprints yet here they argue it didn't.
This can also go into the greatest hits of 239's ****ty logic.
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Henry this socratic method stuff is getting tiring. RTIGF is Stefanoni's interpretation, NS Lettura is the correct interpretation, and Alleli non letti are the unread alleles meaning the ones she left out.

Do I win a prize?

The impact is it reveals that other donors could be there in addition to RS and Meredith.

Are you going to answer my questions now Professor Self Pwnage?
No because you got the answer wrong. That is not the criticism that V&C had.

Would you like to try again?
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Because they didn't say that and concluded it shouldn't be considered as evidence against the accused. Why the knife was there has everything to do with it. You pro-guilt folks can't even tell us a reasonable story of what happened. It's a farce. You want to point everyone to the mountain of mystery when this is such a simple case.

Why was it there?
No. It actually doesn't. DNA is or isn't on the knife. Nothing else is really relevant.

So according to V&C's review.

Was Meredith's DNA on the knife?

Was there any chance of contamination?
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Old 10-27-2011, 07:27 PM   #6555
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ok then please answer it one more time for me again or quote your answer because im not interested in going through millions of posts.

oh well its just arguing on the internet..hmm im wondering you have nothing else to do beside arguing(in this case) over the internet the whole day? you are doing other things? you said your job is on the internet..what are you exactly doing?not too much if you lurk here all day and night and discussing the same things over and over?what is your intention/motivation?and dont tell me "im just arguing over the internet" because not even the biggest retard will belive you that.

and what are you talking about ipoker?!they are not down or anything which skin you are playing on?
I don't play poker online at all right now, waiting to see how everything pans out in the US for now.

I have a lot going on in life and it work believe it or not, I just have to be at my computer a lot and this is easy. It only takes one of my screens to do this. I think it's pretty obvious I'm multitasking most days because I leave words out of my posts all the time. But thanks for your concern. And I literally answered that question today. It's just a means to brain dump everything I've read the past many months.
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