Ok so I understand you position is that as long as we ignore experts and allow you to do all your own interpretation of the evidence then she is innocent.

Did Stephanoni's Team Perform a TMB test?

Yes. Nor did she say she didn't. Massei 257 -258:

Supports which part? It was Amanda's expert that revealed the negative TMB tests.


1)Why can't you do both? 2)It's clear when she gets positive TMB she does confirmatory testing ala exhibit 199. 3)It's clear when she gets negative TMB she does confirmatory testing ala the knife. So why not here? Why did she have to choose? And again 3 out 9 of the luminol hits don't have DNA and none of the demonstrated bare footprints tested positive for DNA. Find a source that refutes. If not i believe Amanda's official appeal.



Those are just amorphous blobs, that's the whole point. They aren't footprints nor attributable to anyone. There is a shoeprint in the hall too but I don't know that it was attributed to anyone. At least get the evidence straight.

I'll have to find it directly but clearly it was Amanda's expert that found the TMB testing. Stefanoni never offered this in testimony before that.

Do you think that picture shows the tread matches that particular print?

LOL.

That's BS if you ignore certain peaks and include others you can interpret it in different ways.

Did the report conclude or did it not conclude that there were erroneous interpretations of the electropherogram? Thought so.

A "respected poster on another site" is just meaningless garbage. Yeah, what a shame we dont have the transcripts so that you can also not cite them and claim that you wont do work for lazy people/that you dont need to cite/that you are checking and will "get back to us on that one"... or that you will only cite references for money - something that you should have been banned for immediately.

Still waiting. Lost count of how many time you have said things like this - or just blatantly refused to cite. You are a troll and should be banned from this thread.

Well, 239?

You are such an obvious shill its astounding you have lasted this long. It is clear that over and above your familiarity with the pro knox side, you are also being fed info, talking points and "counter arguments". You have been posting constantly for over a week and are as dishonest now as you were when you first started.

Again, the old "ill have to find it..." crap. You say it and never revisit.

You have had people from all sides of the debate tell you that your posting is completely dishonest. Do everyone a favor and leave.

Edit: Who mods OOT? I have spent the last week scrolling through and ignoring vast swathes of pages containing 239's posts to try and continue reading the thread. It has nothing to do with his "side" of the argument, simply that he refuses to honestly discuss and debate. You have ruined what was a very interesting discussion for me and, I suspect, many readers.

Good posters who were not convinced of AK and RS's guilt have been driven away and all meaningful discussion has been shut down. I know that I have wanted to participate on many occasions but just thought "why bother" - it will only elicit an idiotic reply about "guilters", "memes" or other such nonsense and be drowned by 239's walls of text and multiple posts in a row, changing the subject, making unsubstantiated claims and asserting that those who have done huge amounts of work and sourced virtually everything are "disingenuous".

Before what? What do you mean Amanda's expert "found" the TMB testing? The passage I quoted is the only mention of it in all of Massei. The investigators either used it or they didn't, and Stephanoni was cross-examined BY the defence, and the TMB test's existence was accepted by all parties.

You said Stephanoni lied on the stand and for whatever reason claimed they didn't do a TMB. That, clearly, is not the case.

I didn't state it as fact as I said I was pretty sure. I think what happened is that the investigators leaked to the press that Amanda's sweatshirt was missing when in fact it was in the dirty clothes hamper.

This is a biased site but you get the gist.

Here is another place where they're referring that the Italian magazine Oggi broke this story.

http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/daily...eater_evid.php

I'm pretty sure Oggi is a reputable magazine in Italy. We need to get the article translated but I think this is probably the goods.


LOL, the arguments against the prosecution in this care are the right arguments for the most part. That's what you don't get.


What do you need sourced good man?

Ok. No.

Why in the world would anyone moderate my posts? Am I not on topic? I'll be happy to respond your arguments without any of those words, bring them on. And you better source and cite them all as to not be hypocritical eh?

I'm still putting together this entire story, but I believe she was asked at one point if she did these tests and said no. She withheld a lot of documents from the defense. When the court forced her to turn them over they found the negative TMB tests. What you're quoting is basically her response once she was caught in the lie.

In reality it's not that important it's just interesting context into what seems to have been a very suspect centric approach to the forensics in this case. I'm trying to find one place that has this all in one place and lays it out, but that's the gist of it.

You're free to disregard it as I'm sure you would even if she told you herself she lied.

This is the description of L8

That doesn't sound like an amorphous blob.

Further while it is true that only three of the luminol prints had distinguishing features that indicate that they are feet are you now going to argue that given the other six are just foot sized ovals between the ones where digits are visible that we can't just extrapolate that they are all footprints given they are in a straight path? How desperate do you have to be to prove she didn't do it if this is going to be where you go.

Oggi is the equivalent of the National Enquirer except a little more tame because in Europe defamation is considerably more serious. They gave out a set of knives with the issue where they talk about her release.

Goundreport is not a real source either.

You need to stop filling your heard with this garbage.

Source that she held back any documentation.

I'm disregarding it because you being "pretty sure" about something is meaningless when you don't provide a reason why anyone else should be "pretty sure" too. It is, however, meaningful that you got it from a gaggle of people who are similarly "pretty sure" about the footprint and "pretty sure" Amanda never changed her story.

Like, do you understand how the prosecution's information got to the defence in the real world? They assembled 10,469 pages and gave Ghirga a copy. Really. You can purchase this filing for 1 euro per page. The defence didn't have to go around to each department and beg for it, and no department has an opportunity (or incentive) to withhold anything.