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The locking of Meredith's door causes further issues for the claim that Rudy Guede acted alone. Rudy left a series of bloody footprints leading from Meredith's room straight out the front door of the cottage. For Guede to have locked the door it would require that after closing the door he turn and face the door so that he could lock it. That would have created at least one additional bloody footprint that was not present.

In an effort to explore the possibility of Rudy closing and then locking the door behind him without leaving an additional footprint poster Hammerite of the online community PMF enlisted 56 university student volunteers.[35] He placed a scaled grid on the floor with masking tape and video recorded each student making three exits of an identical scaled model of Meredith's bedroom through a door hinged on the right opening inwards with a mortise lock. On the first exit they were told to just leave without closing the door. On the next two exits they were given a set of keys containing a mortise leaver key and a pin tumbler key. Meredith's key ring would have likely had a greater number of keys but for the purpose of the experiment Hammerite limited the choice to a key for the front door and a key for the bedroom. The students were asked to lock the door on the second exit using their right hand and to lock the door on the third exit using their left hand. They were told the pace was urgent and the hallway was well lit. The exits were recorded to video and the foot placement was then transcribed to a hard copy grid representing the hallway.

The results were as expected. All 56 students when asked to exit without closing the door had a foot placement pattern that matched the bloody footprints from the crime scene information available to the public. In every exit where the students were asked to lock the door there was at minimum one additional footprint and up to a maximum of five additional footprints when the student volunteers dropped the keys. The pattern of footprints when the students were asked to lock the door does not match the bloody footprints that Guede left. The beauty of this experiment is that even if you don't have an identical model to work with you can still try this at home. Exit a door and try to lock it behind you. Look at your foot positioning. Is there any realistic way that you can do this without turning to face the door and thus orienting your feet toward the door?

Guede could not have locked the door. If he didn't lock the door then someone else took Meredith's keys and locked the door. That means that Guede could not have acted alone. Someone else was at the cottage and the rest of the evidence proves that that someone else was Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito.

I think we talked about it in this thread. The footprint pattern goes straight out with no turning around or stopping to lock the door.

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10-09-2016 , 12:34 PM

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Steel Wheel

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Garbage post corpus vile, No amount of deceitful bad lawyerly twisting on your part can change the fact that in the Supreme Courts final decision on her 100% innocence did they say or confirm that Knox "washed blood off her hands". You don't give a damn about facts and truth in this case and never did.

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10-09-2016 , 01:41 PM

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happyhappy...

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SW,

Sound logic.

I would never hope for you to get laid off, but if it ever comes to pass, maybe you can tackle that rebuttal.

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10-09-2016 , 01:44 PM

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57 On Red

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheel

Well, except for the part where they did say exactly that, and furthermore said it was proven, as you yourself have apparently just read.

Of course, being Italian, what they actually said was:--

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Altro elemente al suo carico e rappresentato dalla trace di dna misto, suo e della vittima, nel "bagno piccolo", ad eloquente riprova que cua, communque, venuta a contatte con il sangue di quest'ultima, che cerco di lavare (si travato, a quando pare, di sangue dilavato, metre le tracce biologiche a lei riferite sarebbero conseguente a sfregamento epitaliale).

(Supreme Court of Cassation, Penale Sent. Sez. 5, Num. 36080, Anno 2015, Section 9.4.1., p.46)

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...e_Court_Report

Or for the English translation (click to download):-

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...eport_(English)

As you can see, there is no finding of '100% innocence', because the acquittals were issued under 'Art.530, comma 2', which is the 'insufficient evidence' acquittal, equivalent to Scotland's 'not proven', as opposed to the more definitive Art.530, comma 1, and because the court twice states that Knox was certainly present in the apartment when the murder was committed.

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10-09-2016 , 02:10 PM

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Steel Wheel

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I guess your kind will just keep being deceitful forever regarding it, that's ok the world needs to know that there are loony nutters out there like Mignini and yourself trying to pervert the justice systems all over the world with agenda driven crazy nonsense, you provide a service that way 57.

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10-09-2016 , 02:53 PM

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happyhappy...

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I think you are confused. He quoted the actual court transcript.

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10-09-2016 , 04:21 PM

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Steel Wheel

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No he didn't, he did some crooked lawyer like spinning. It's called lying.

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10-09-2016 , 04:34 PM

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Wow, this is just embarrassing

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10-09-2016 , 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheel

The court actually stated as a finding that Knox was there that night, that she washed her hands of Meredith's blood, that she very suspiciously lied about multiple things, that there was a coverup/cleanup...and that her account of being there when Meredith died was fact. Section 9.4.1 of the court's report.

The court acquitted her because it couldn't prove the extent to which she participated in the murder. She could have watched while the other two did it, she could have been in the kitchen with her hands over her ears trying to not hear the screams, as she claimed to the police, she could have been restraining Meredith or even using the knife or done the fatal thrust.

This is a philosophical objection, but the court has given it weight. You can say exactly the same for Guede. You also cannot prove that Guede held the knife; there is no evidence that he ever stabbed Meredith, or even raped her - Meredith was pretty sexually active and Guede's account could easily be true if you give him the same benefit of the doubt that they're giving Amanda; the only physical evidence is that Guede was there well after she started bleeding out, even after she was dead.

What actually happened in group murders is generally unknown. There will often be zero DNA or fingerprints even with vicious crimes. Presence is established from knowledge, confession, accusation, etc. Ordinarily when people are provably complicit in a murder like this, they all go down, but that hasn't happened here because of the intense PR campaign. If they were all black and poor, they would all still be in jail.

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10-09-2016 , 05:58 PM

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The court found no such thing in the final decision in 2015 which stated she was 100% innocent, and now the Rudy Guede support club is disparaging Meredith here, disgraceful.

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10-09-2016 , 06:03 PM

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With each post from Steal Wheel, I'm becoming more and more convinced this is Donald Trump's 2+2 account.

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10-09-2016 , 06:06 PM

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Are you a Rudy Guede apologist too nunnehi?

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10-09-2016 , 06:11 PM

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I haven't seen a single Rudy Guede apologist in this thread. That's just another fantasy of yours that drools out of your brain onto your keyboard. When confronted with actual facts, you say no...lies...from ACTUAL court documents of the final decision.

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10-09-2016 , 06:27 PM

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Steel wheel what it is you hope to achieve by posting in this thread?

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10-09-2016 , 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steel Wheel

The court found no such thing in the final decision in 2015 which stated she was 100% innocent, and now the Rudy Guede support club is disparaging Meredith here, disgraceful.

What kind of a view do you have of women that calling a young woman "fairly sexually active" - a statement of fact - is disparaging her??

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10-09-2016 , 08:05 PM

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Just watched the biased POS doc not knowing anything about the case so not much I can add to the thread atm, but I'll try...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/pr...gnore&u=324519

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10-10-2016 , 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by ToothSayer

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.co...ocked_the_Door

I think we talked about it in this thread. The footprint pattern goes straight out with no turning around or stopping to lock the door.

would be curious to hear the pro-Knox crowd's response to this

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10-10-2016 , 01:15 AM

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who did it guys???

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10-10-2016 , 11:09 AM

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I don't get it. Seems like you could lock the door without taking extra steps or stepping totally around to face the the door. Just twist at the waist while keeping your feet planted forward. I just did it on a door at home without strain and I'm sure that I've done this before. Have any of you tried this yourself? Why would you need extra steps?

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10-10-2016 , 12:46 PM

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SenorKeeed

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Yeah seriously. Reading guilters is hilarious, really. Like bros, have you ever walked through a door? Ever closed it?

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10-10-2016 , 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist

all takes on the case aside are you two guys being serious? Like you don't naturally pivot your feet when you turn to lock a door? I don't even know how that is possible?

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10-10-2016 , 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by GBP04

would be curious to hear the pro-Knox crowd's response to this

Why does it: confused the issue checking in whoops my bad

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10-10-2016 , 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed

Yeah seriously. Reading guilters is hilarious, really. Like bros, have you ever walked through a door? Ever closed it?

Reading the drivel of murder groupies is somewhat less than hilarious. Nobody ever locks a door with their back to it without even breaking stride.

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10-10-2016 , 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GBP04

all takes on the case aside are you two guys being serious? Like you don't naturally pivot your feet when you turn to lock a door? I don't even know how that is possible?

It isn't. Whoever locked that door, it was not Rudy Guede.