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zerosum79 · 03-13-2012, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Cwocwoc

Pxf were doing that years ago when I subscribed. Afaik they still are.

I was not aware that Poker X factor was doing this. I know a few other training sites had done quiz formats briefly (Stoxpoker) but what I was told is that they gave up on the format because they take a long time to produce. I actually did a few for DTB and stopped because they took so much longer than even a normal classroom video.

I think these quizzes are different but I don't really want to get into it because I have already gotten two infractions for posts that were too marketing heavy.

zero

zerosum79 · 03-13-2012, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MASTERHOLMES

when I tried out drag the bar last year,, I greatly enjoyed your power point videos in sit and goes and felt it was well organized.

for a 218 page book i just don't see paying 69 dollars or 99 dollars for. I dont' care about how much other people charged for their ebooks, I didnt' pay for those books either.

you mentioned paying full price for collin moshman book when it first came out and to me the only differnce here is you have 3 videos set up to show the concepts in the book. which I would of prefered that you add for free as a act of free will. (in fact it is my opnion that every poker pro who released a book should have 2 to 3 videos set up to help out the books ).

if you are looking to get it published in the future by say dimat, or two plus two I wouldn't mind paying the standard book price with it.

this post was in reference to the price of the book for it to be equal to a price of a lesson,,
i would like a concise video of advanced concepts for part one..
with the assumpation that sit and goers read collin moshman strategy book, and phil shaw sit and go book and are having trouble applying the concepts.
that shouldn't have the concepts of the book thrown in your face,, but on how to apply the concepts.

the second video should have the leaks of the intermediate players, it is hard to come up with an all encompassing leaks video,, but here you would have a market of
a, intermediate players who are not crushing the online sit and goes ,,
b. the ten leaks you see per stake video you picked for a 90 minute video.

a third video would have hem hand reviews of advanced common players.

a live game wouldnt' work unless that is how you teach ,, let them watch you play..
the fourth video would be advanced ways of using sit and go wizard, and sng solver.

your 3 videos that are described could be useful,, but I dont' think that is how I think a standard coaching session goes.

perhaps you can described how you 3 videos are better then all your videos on drag the bar, and a standard coaching session?.
and why didnt' you have a 12 video course instead of 3 videos?
if it was a 12 video meat course and not filler course it would have more value.

Holmes,

Good to see you around these parts! Lots of good thoughts here on video topics. I can explain more of my thought process with you offline if you want on why I chose the format and video topics the way that I did.

Regarding the price: It was meant to fill a hole in the market for a bunch of people who wanted private lessons but did not want to pay my hourly rate. I hoped to deliver a product that was comparable at a rate that was a significant discount.

Regarding the number of videos: They are really intense to produce I had the majority of book done over a year ago but the videos took a huge chunk of time. 12 would have simply been impossible.

I think I can answer your last question since you asked it. Hopefully it will at least not draw another infraction if the mods choose to delete this. The videos are not classroom so its really not like the majority of my DTB vids. I found with a lot of books they have sections where there is a Q&A but that they don't really show a player what actually playing is like. Every hand is not AK or QQ etc and one of the things to realize with SNG's is really how much you fold. These give a realistic feeling about how SNG's should work and how you need to change gears throughout the tournament.

I also went through a lot of hand histories to select three hand histories that had a lot of spots that can be solved using the COS strategy. They provide direct feedback to tell a student whether they have gotten a handle on the topics after reading the book. By choosing different stakes they also show how at different stakes, adjustments are necessary but fairly easily implemented using the complete strategy in the book. They are intended to be a proof that if you learn correct SNG strategy, it will work and grow with you as you move up in stakes.

In short it was the best way that I could think of to accomplish a lot of goals. That is not to say that your ideas would not make some great videos though.

Regards,
zero

Honey Badger · 03-13-2012, 09:28 PM

Maybe it's unfair to point this out here, even though I have done it before in other threads: that when an author takes heat suddenly a bunch of people with extremely low post counts come in and defend the author.

Not saying these are all Gimmick accounts but it definitely makes me wonder how much credibility these posts should have compared to a regular poster around here. I recently questioned Verneer regarding this issue, and to his credit he handled this most impressively.

Others not so well.

zerosum79 · 03-13-2012, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Honey Badger

Maybe it's unfair to point this out here, even though I have done it before in other threads: that when an author takes heat suddenly a bunch of people with extremely low post counts come in and defend the author.

Not saying these are all Gimmick accounts but it definitely makes me wonder how much credibility these posts should have compared to a regular poster around here. I recently questioned Verneer regarding this issue, and to his credit he handled this most impressively.

Others not so well.

I would like to state for the record that all accounts that have posted on here are unsolicited comments (some of which I am surprised but happy to see found their way here). I am confidant that everyone posting can be verified as real people.

For example you can sharkscope diebanksters to see he is a real person. If people are not impressed by my SNG play history, it would be a long stretch to think I played 13K SNG's just to build a fake account. It would be equally unlikely that I would sign up for and pay for DTB just to be pagination (he has posted there for a while).

I am also confidant that other posters can be verified as independent by IP address and location checks by a mod or someone else.

Regards,
zero

1aday · 03-13-2012, 10:45 PM

Yeah check my IP, it should read South Korea.

I only came in to post as I think people should read a work before saying someone is or isn't qualified to write a book. Especially in a 'field of expertise' like poker, which has no qualification criteria other than 'does your writing articulate the concepts in such a way that it can improve other players?' If yes - you are qualified. If no, then you are not. It's that simple.

28renton · 03-13-2012, 11:11 PM

I had a study group with one of zero's students, tallscot, and also had a great experience with Team Moshman. One of his coaches turned me into a winner at a game I'd never even played before. From my experience with his student, and if Moshman believes zero's good enough to be a coach for him, then I trust zero's book is quality. Just my experience. I don't post much, yeah, but that doesn't make me a fake account.

Honey Badger · 03-14-2012, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by zerosum79

I would like to state for the record that all accounts that have posted on here are unsolicited comments (some of which I am surprised but happy to see found their way here). I am confidant that everyone posting can be verified as real people.

For example you can sharkscope diebanksters to see he is a real person. If people are not impressed by my SNG play history, it would be a long stretch to think I played 13K SNG's just to build a fake account. It would be equally unlikely that I would sign up for and pay for DTB just to be pagination (he has posted there for a while).

I am also confidant that other posters can be verified as independent by IP address and location checks by a mod or someone else.

Regards,
zero

Let just put it this way. The 2+2 book forum is not the Drag the Bar Forums with a ton of "attaboy" posting from regulars here like you might see from DTB members.

This forum is a great place to promote and discuss a book, but you need to be prepared to be put under a a bit of scrutiny. I retract that: a ton of scrutiny. I will admit, like Veneer and his recent book I also been impressed with many things Hunter has done representing DTB, especially after Stox imploded. It was handled way better then Card Runners for example. That still doesn't mean every DTB coach has instant credibility on this forum.

It wasn't all that long ago the we had a bunch of players trying to cash in with absurdly priced poker e-books. Black Friday as well as competitive pressures have forced a bit of sanity to return to poker e-book publishing.

Since Black Friday it seems like a ton of Drag the Bar coaches are coming out with e-books. I play a ton of SNG's and have interest in the book, but also am not going to give instant credibility to low post count posters that probably are not Gimmick accounts, but may not be offering a clearly unbiased viewpoint as well.

DieBanksters · 03-14-2012, 12:28 AM

Weird, I've been coached by both SiQ and ZeroSum. SiQ coached me when I was struggling in the mid-stakes, but unfortunately BF hit and we didn't get to continue. He seemed to really know the game better than most.

Each coach should have a niche or target demographic, and I believe ZeroSum is about as good as it gets for beginners to struggling intermediate players. SiQ does an excellent job taking students to the next level, but I'm not sure if he'd have interest in dealing with beginners.

There's room for everyone in the marketplace as long as they are providing a service that customers are happy with. I know 5-6 people personally that have been coached by Greg and I have never heard a complaint.

I barely even play anymore post-bf, but I might have to take a look at this book for old times sake.

Honey Badger · 03-14-2012, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DieBanksters

Weird, I've been coached by both SiQ and ZeroSum. SiQ coached me when I was struggling in the mid-stakes, but unfortunately BF hit and we didn't get to continue. He seemed to really know the game better than most.

Each coach should have a niche or target demographic, and I believe ZeroSum is about as good as it gets for beginners to struggling intermediate players. SiQ does an excellent job taking students to the next level, but I'm not sure if he'd have interest in dealing with beginners.

There's room for everyone in the marketplace as long as they are providing a service that customers are happy with. I know 5-6 people personally that have been coached by Greg and I have never heard a complaint.

I barely even play anymore post-bf, but I might have to take a look at this book for old times sake.

I appreciate your post. New authors that have no posting history with the regulars on this board and their entourage's need to understand we see this time and time again. Post for a self published e-book that is the promoted as holy grail to poker profit, and several people with low post rave about the book.

There are some hard core poker book guys on this board and if you have a good product it will get it's due in time. But as an author you better be prepared to run the gauntlet. This is not an "ataboy" forum. I am also skeptical of people that post away the someone is a great coach without substance behind the post of why.

I did look you up on sharkscope and you have solid sng numbers with 7589 sng's played on stars. So yes I can say that you are not the authors gimmick account, but who's to say you are not a buddy going to bat for a friend's project?

You have more credibility because you indicate you were coached by the author and clearly figured out how to beat $5 to $10 sng's but should understand why some of the regs on this board might be a bit skeptical of some of the posting in new self-published e-books in these threads.

Cwocwoc · 03-14-2012, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Honey Badger

I appreciate your post. New authors that have no posting history with the regulars on this board and their entourage's need to understand we see this time and time again. Post for a self published e-book that is the promoted as holy grail to poker profit, and several people with low post rave about the book.

This is inevitable when coaches with a lot of videos on a training site publish books. Some of the subscribers from the training site/training site forums will post rapturous reviews.

striiing · 03-14-2012, 05:19 PM

thought sng's where pretty much dead

Honey Badger · 03-14-2012, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by striiing

thought sng's where pretty much dead

This is a myth.

SNG's are clearly more profitable online then live. So for a US player it would be hard to make a living playing them. I for example played thousands of sngs (profitably btw) on tilt and stars before black friday. For a non-US player it is still viable.

That's my issue I am owed several thousand from Tilt and have built a small bankroll playing freeroll sng's on Merge. I don't want to make a deposit on merge because I am probably kissing that money goodbye. So I am play 60 cent sngs on merge. I am interested in the book. But to buy it at $69 in today's US poker economy with a pretty unknown author on form of poker that's played online investing more than my current online bankroll is really a questionable decision. I think there are plenty of players in my shoes that this book is targeted at.

I think the author should look at what Black Rain has done with his book. This book is not targeted to Darin Van Gammeren (darinvg), Andrew Li (azntracker) or Calvin Anderson (cal42688). A bet his target audience for US sng players is a lot like me.

zerosum79 · 03-14-2012, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Honey Badger

I think the author should look at what Black Rain has done with his book. This book is not targeted to Darin Van Gammeren (darinvg), Andrew Li (azntracker) or Calvin Anderson (cal42688). A bet his target audience for US sng players is a lot like me.

By that logic the the Ed Miller Small Stakes NL book should cost $20 as well. However, the fact remains that I paid $99 and so did many other people. He has adjusted his price to ~$30 but the book is now a year or two old.

I would still contend that the price for my book is reasonable based on the current poker economy, and I have explained why I think it provides more value than a simple book. Based on the conversation on here it is possible that $99 may be too high, but that's a risk that I am willing to take. If it doesn't sell then I will re-evaluate.

Do you really blame me for wanting to sell something I worked on for a long time for a price that I think is reasonable based on how long I worked and how much value I believe it has?

zero

wbuster · 03-15-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by SandmanNess

the statement that you can turn "anyone" into a "SNG crusher" in 5 weeks is ridiculous.

if he is willing to "pay" 1 day of learning push/fold charts, or learning how to read and use them, i'll guarantee you that you can turn the dumbest fish in 1 week into a +roi player

Cwocwoc · 03-15-2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by zerosum79

Do you really blame me for wanting to sell something I worked on for a long time for a price that I think is reasonable based on how long I worked and how much value I believe it has?

zero

I think you overestimate its value. I have looked at your "proprietary" pivot points concept and I can see nothing new about it. Any beginner who devotes a reasonable amount of time and energy into learning push fold ranges will start to win and the "pivot point" way of looking at things is too rigid. Imv the important points are where the jumps in equity occur. I think it is important to get beginners to look at estimating their opponents' ranges and what kind of equity they need and this applies to all games. New sets of your "pivot points" will need to be learnt for every different format.