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Old 07-02-2012, 10:35 AM   #1
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Thinking Fast, and Slow

http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-.../dp/1846140552

Not sure I can link it here, but here it is anyway.

It's not exactly a poker book, but I am sure you can apply many of these ideas to your poker mindset.

I'm about a quarter of the way through, and it's sort of helps you stay aware of everything you are doing whether that be talking to someone regularly or throwing out a half pot continuation bet. I believe most of the poker mindset books I've read tell you to stay out of autopilot and keep playing your A game. This book gives you an explanation of that in terms of training your "System 2" to not be lazy.

If anyone has read this already, what do you guys thinks?
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Old 07-02-2012, 03:27 PM   #2
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Re: Thinking Fast, and Slow

I've read it (well actually listened to the audiobook-version) and thought it was very good. I especially found the stuff about how concentrating, controlling emotion or using will power depletes your brain of glucose and tires it out to be interesting.

A lot of really interesting studies and findings and all described in a very accessible and understandable way.
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Re: Thinking Fast, and Slow

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I've read it (well actually listened to the audiobook-version) and thought it was very good. I especially found the stuff about how concentrating, controlling emotion or using will power depletes your brain of glucose and tires it out to be interesting.

A lot of really interesting studies and findings and all described in a very accessible and understandable way.
Are you talking about the book Willpower by Baumeister? I just had a look at the index in Kahneman and there's one page on glucose & self-control but literally the entire Baumeister book is on that topic.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:15 AM   #4
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Re: Thinking Fast, and Slow

I actually read both of those (Willpower and Thinking fast and slow) back to back so I'm not sure what was where, but there was a bit of overlap between them on this - Willpower was definitely more in-depth on this though.

They both mentioned the study with the parole judges whose decisions turned out to be based more on their glucose-levels than on the facts of the cases they were reviewing and the studies on depleting willpower by making a group resist cookies before giving them unsolvable puzzles and see how long they would last before giving up.

I started off reading Susan Cain's "Quiet - The power of introverts in a world that can't stop talking" (which was great btw) and audible kept throwing 'how your brain works'-suggestions at me after that
Also got 'The power of Habit' by Charles Duhigg which was very good - it illustrates its points with a lot of stories, which some may find a bit redundant, but they were all well told and very interesting.
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I actually read both of those (Willpower and Thinking fast and slow) back to back so I'm not sure what was where, but there was a bit of overlap between them on this - Willpower was definitely more in-depth on this though.
That's true. I found the discussion of prospect theory best of all (among many other things) in Thinking, fast and slow. It can really explain just how and why poker players tilt.

An interesting counterpoint to Kahneman's work is Gerd Gigerenzer - Gut Feelings. Those two have had quite a few academic mud-slinging matches as their world-views are polar opposites but both have some good points IMO.
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An interesting counterpoint to Kahneman's work is Gerd Gigerenzer - Gut Feelings. Those two have had quite a few academic mud-slinging matches as their world-views are polar opposites but both have some good points IMO.
I had planned to look into Gary Kleins books as Kahneman mentions him in 'Thinking...' as a critic whom he'd worked with to try to work out their differences.

Couldn't find an audiobook for Klein though (which is big for me since I drive a lot), but Gigerenzers book is out on audible, so I'll pick that up soon - thanks for the suggestion
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I had planned to look into Gary Kleins books as Kahneman mentions him in 'Thinking...' as a critic whom he'd worked with to try to work out their differences.

Couldn't find an audiobook for Klein though (which is big for me since I drive a lot), but Gigerenzers book is out on audible, so I'll pick that up soon - thanks for the suggestion
Klein's books are excellent. "Streetlights and Shadows" is fascinating and wonderfully well written. There is not the entertainment or humor you will find with some authors in his books but it is a refreshing unique perspective to "Blink" thinking on one side; and Kahneman behavioral finance, crowd studying the effects of social, cognitive, and emotional factors and why blink or intuitive decisions can be flawed a great deal of the time.

Klein clearly shows the difference between how skilled experts can make excellent intuitive decisions over non-experts and why.
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Klein's books are excellent. "Streetlights and Shadows" is fascinating and wonderfully well written.
Thanks - I see it's out on kindle, so I'll put it on my to-read-during-vacation-list
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Thanks - I see it's out on kindle, so I'll put it on my to-read-during-vacation-list
Depending on which Kindle you have you can used text to speech for Klein's books.

The best part about his decision model is it deals with uncertain situations. Klein clearly shows the difference between how skilled experts can make excellent intuitive decisions over non-experts and why. He uses the term expert which of course has fallen out of favor with Philip Tetlock's twenty-year study in which 284 experts in many fields, including government officials, professors, journalists, and other, and with many opinions, from Marxists to free-marketeers, were asked to make 28,000 predictions about the future, finding that they were only slightly more accurate than chance, and worse than basic computer algorithms.

Klein clearly that in certain fields like fighting fires which is cited often in his book experts do exist and out perform less experienced people. I like Tetlock's work but the problem with it just because experts don't predict well in very complex uncertain area's does not mean other experts don't perform better in other situations.

If you read the book let me know what you think.
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