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07-05-2012, 05:46 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2011
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice
I am glad you guys are applying yourself and taking the steps to become great players. I am glad my books and other training materials have been helpful.
I have actually been writing down basiclly every hand I have played in all the nlhe events so I have material for Volume 3, which is probably going to be a ton of hand examples plus a few other things I have learned since Vol 2 came out. Let me know if you guys have any suggestions on other topics to be sure to include.
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Get to writing! That sounds awesome!
Just finished with Volume One, right at the beginning of Volume Two. Haven't been able to put these books down.
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07-05-2012, 11:38 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Muskegon, Michigan, USA
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
In volume 1 you stressed that one should always play for first because that's where the money is. In light of that, I would be interested in your comments about a recent 2+2 Pokercast. Phil Collins was interviewed by hosts Adam Schwartz and Mike Johnson. Schwartz plays mostly cash but has made one WSOP final table (4th), and Johnson is an amateur player.
Schwartz asked Collins about all the limping that he did at the final table. Collins said that he did that partly because the table was expecting him to be perhaps the most agressive player at the table, but primarily because he studied the structure and decided that the best strategy was to move up one spot at a time.
Schwartz responded that most final table players told him that they were playing for first, but he often didn't believe them. He then asked Collins to give him an example of what he saw in the structure that caused him to make his decision, and Collins replied, "The difference between ninth and sixth was a million dollars."
Later, Johnson said that if he was in that position he would absolutely move up one spot in a time, and that for most people it would be the right thing to do.
Comments?
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07-10-2012, 12:06 AM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
Halfway into the first book and loving it. Would you mind explaining the equity calculation again? I know it's not the easiest math to do in your head but are there any shortcuts like the x4 x2 flop %out rule that can be applied to equity and expected value?
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07-11-2012, 01:18 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by Poker Clif
In volume 1 you stressed that one should always play for first because that's where the money is. In light of that, I would be interested in your comments about a recent 2+2 Pokercast. Phil Collins was interviewed by hosts Adam Schwartz and Mike Johnson. Schwartz plays mostly cash but has made one WSOP final table (4th), and Johnson is an amateur player.
Schwartz asked Collins about all the limping that he did at the final table. Collins said that he did that partly because the table was expecting him to be perhaps the most agressive player at the table, but primarily because he studied the structure and decided that the best strategy was to move up one spot at a time.
Schwartz responded that most final table players told him that they were playing for first, but he often didn't believe them. He then asked Collins to give him an example of what he saw in the structure that caused him to make his decision, and Collins replied, "The difference between ninth and sixth was a million dollars."
Later, Johnson said that if he was in that position he would absolutely move up one spot in a time, and that for most people it would be the right thing to do.
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If $1,000,000 matters a lot to you and playing like a nit for a few hours will almost guarentee you that $1,000,000, go for it. I can honestly say if I was at the final table, I would be ramming and jamming for the win because first place is worth way more than first place money.
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07-11-2012, 01:25 AM
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#275
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by RT_437
Halfway into the first book and loving it. Would you mind explaining the equity calculation again? I know it's not the easiest math to do in your head but are there any shortcuts like the x4 x2 flop %out rule that can be applied to equity and expected value?
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I am not really a fan of using rules to figure out equity because they are often wrong. That being said, the 2x and 4x thing are fine when at the table. When you have a draw in nlhe, very rarely should you be playing only to hit your exact draw. There is often a lot of value in bluffing all the other draws that come in.
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07-11-2012, 10:30 AM
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stranger
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
hi jonathan,
i have read vol 1 and 2, i just have a question : what do you need to adjust to your strategy, for the very low buy in tournament or club tournament, with no deep structure and 30 players ?
i have try your loose strategy in live event, with deep structure, no problem, but in my local club, everyone is nit and CS, so it s difficult to bluff them
i hope to be clear, excuse my english, i a living in france
thank you
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07-11-2012, 04:16 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: The VILLE
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by polki
hi jonathan,
i have read vol 1 and 2, i just have a question : what do you need to adjust to your strategy, for the very low buy in tournament or club tournament, with no deep structure and 30 players ?
i have try your loose strategy in live event, with deep structure, no problem, but in my local club, everyone is nit and CS, so it s difficult to bluff them
i hope to be clear, excuse my english, i a living in france
thank you
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Would be interesting to hear your response. Also curious, as these types of daily tournaments are the ones I'll be playing in at my local casino.
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07-11-2012, 10:56 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 14
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
Mostly finished with the second volume and finished the first a while ago.
I am an intermediate live tournament player at best.
The first book is very good at discussing general strategy and how to play everything in certain positions as well as getting into the mindset of thinking of things in terms of equity. I really enjoyed reading and applying these concepts.
I feel the second book is more a gathering of common sense and compressed versions of books on tells, mindsets and what not. It gives you a starting structure on how to live the tournament lifestyle if you are new.
If I had to nit pick, I am not a huge fan of the layout of the second book. It felt more disorganized. For example, the pot limit Hold'em segment seems irrelevant in a book specializing in NLH.
Would you consider writing a book on tournament pot-limit Hold'em some time in the future?
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07-12-2012, 01:26 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 2,224
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by polki
hi jonathan,
i have read vol 1 and 2, i just have a question : what do you need to adjust to your strategy, for the very low buy in tournament or club tournament, with no deep structure and 30 players ?
i have try your loose strategy in live event, with deep structure, no problem, but in my local club, everyone is nit and CS, so it s difficult to bluff them
i hope to be clear, excuse my english, i a living in france
thank you
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While my book generally outlines how to play against competent opponents, it also clearly states that you need to learn to think for yourself at the table and figure out how to beat each type of opponent. You say your opponents are nitty and CS. I dont know what CS is but ill assume calling station? Seeing how those are totally different, I will describe how to play against each.
Against a bunch of players that play overly tight, simply raise often preflop.
Against players that call a lot, try to push them off their limps with fairly sizable raises. If you cant, take flops in position with a range that can flop well and try to make a strong hand postflop. Also, once you get down to 20bbs or so, if there are still multiple limpers preflop, you can go all in often and will pick up a lot of dead money. Good luck!
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07-12-2012, 01:32 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by SpecC
Mostly finished with the second volume and finished the first a while ago.
I am an intermediate live tournament player at best.
The first book is very good at discussing general strategy and how to play everything in certain positions as well as getting into the mindset of thinking of things in terms of equity. I really enjoyed reading and applying these concepts.
I feel the second book is more a gathering of common sense and compressed versions of books on tells, mindsets and what not. It gives you a starting structure on how to live the tournament lifestyle if you are new.
If I had to nit pick, I am not a huge fan of the layout of the second book. It felt more disorganized. For example, the pot limit Hold'em segment seems irrelevant in a book specializing in NLH.
Would you consider writing a book on tournament pot-limit Hold'em some time in the future?
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I honestly dont think the differences between nlhe and plhe require anywhere near an entire book to describe. I am sure I could write a decent amount, but it wouldnt be a ton and the books would not really sell well, as there are only a few plhe events each year.
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07-12-2012, 01:30 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 11
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by FieryJustice
While my book generally outlines how to play against competent opponents, it also clearly states that you need to learn to think for yourself at the table and figure out how to beat each type of opponent. You say your opponents are nitty and CS. I dont know what CS is but ill assume calling station? Seeing how those are totally different, I will describe how to play against each.
Against a bunch of players that play overly tight, simply raise often preflop.
Against players that call a lot, try to push them off their limps with fairly sizable raises. If you cant, take flops in position with a range that can flop well and try to make a strong hand postflop. Also, once you get down to 20bbs or so, if there are still multiple limpers preflop, you can go all in often and will pick up a lot of dead money. Good luck!
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thanks for your response, yes CS means calling station
range that can flop well is Suited connector, broadway ?
for local tournament i can use the vol1 BB theory ?
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07-13-2012, 02:10 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
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Originally Posted by polki
thanks for your response, yes CS means calling station
range that can flop well is Suited connector, broadway ?
for local tournament i can use the vol1 BB theory ?
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Hands that flop well are suited connected cards, like 97s, pairs, and broadway cards only if your opponents play hands that tend to be dominated. Playing KJ will get you in a lot of trouble if your opponents are not constantly playing K5s. You should tend to play as I outline based on the general effective stack size.
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07-16-2012, 03:04 AM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 27
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
hello Jonathan,
I just got your book volume 1. In the beggining you said that there are authors/books that are very outdated and also that there are authors, who are not winning players and earn money just by writing books.
could you please be more specifiesed which books/authors to avoid then?
Some clues?
Thank you.
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07-16-2012, 12:43 PM
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newbie
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 27
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
also which of these tourney books are also worth of reading and which are not? thank you.
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Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker, Volume 1 (D&B Poker Series) by Jonathan Little
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Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker, Volume 2 by Jonathan Little
3.Harrington on Hold 'em Expert Strategy for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. 1: Strategic Play
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Tournament Poker for Advanced Players: Expanded Edition David Sklansky
5.The Poker Tournament Formula by Arnold Snyder
6. Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time Volume I by Eric 'Rizen' Lynch, Jon 'Pearljammer' Turner and Jon 'Apestyles' Van Fleet
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The Raiser's Edge: Tournament-Poker Strategies for Today's Aggressive Game by Bertrand Grospellier, Lee Nelson, Tysen Streib and Tony Dunst (Jun 27, 2011)
8.Harrington on Hold 'em Expert Strategy for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. 2: Endgame by Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie
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Kill Everyone: Advanced Strategies for No-Limit Hold 'Em Poker, Tournaments, and Sit-n-Gos: Revised and Expanded Edition (Gambling Theories Methods) by Lee Nelson, Tysen Streib and Steven Heston (Jun 30, 2009)
10.Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time Volume II by Eric 'Rizen' Lynch, Jon 'PearlJammer' Turner and Jon 'Apestyles' Van Fleet (Feb 20, 2010)
11.Harrington on Hold 'em: Expert Strategies for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. III--The Workbook by Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie (May 30, 2006)
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The Poker Tournament Formula II: Advanced Strategies by Arnold Snyder
13.Every Hand Revealed by Gus Hansen
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The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition by Andy Bloch, Richard Brodie, Chris Ferguson and Ted Forrest (Jun 1, 2007)
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07-17-2012, 11:08 AM
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veteran
Join Date: Apr 2005
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Re: Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker by Jonathan Little
I am not going to go through all poker books and give my opinion on all of them. Most people should simply be able to read 2 pages and fiure out if a book is good or not. I will reply to the books below though.
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Originally Posted by hegedus1000
also which of these tourney books are also worth of reading and which are not? thank you.
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Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker, Volume 1 (D&B Poker Series) by Jonathan Little
I like this one.
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Secrets of Professional Tournament Poker, Volume 2 by Jonathan Little
I like this one too.
3.Harrington on Hold 'em Expert Strategy for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. 1: Strategic Play
These used to be the best books on the market when people were terrible. Now people are not terrible and generally know to not fall for squeeze plays and cbets. This book will teach you to play tight and aggressive, which will make you a small winner. I try to teach people to be big winners.
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Tournament Poker for Advanced Players: Expanded Edition David Sklansky
This book is more of a collection of ideas necessary to win at mtts and not so much a complete guide. That being said, I love everything sklansky puts out.
5.The Poker Tournament Formula by Arnold Snyder
This book basically says to play like a maniac in fast structured events and a nit in slow ones. It is also written by a professional author, which is never a good sign.
6. Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time Volume I by Eric 'Rizen' Lynch, Jon 'Pearljammer' Turner and Jon 'Apestyles' Van Fleet
These books are basically hand histories from online tournaments put into a book. While I think they are fine, they dont apply too much to live poker and obviously get outdated for their online application quickly.
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The Raiser's Edge: Tournament-Poker Strategies for Today's Aggressive Game by Bertrand Grospellier, Lee Nelson, Tysen Streib and Tony Dunst (Jun 27, 2011)
This book is good but in general, it teaches a system. I am not really a fan of any book that teaches a system because systems are easily broken. Check out what happened to HoH. This book will probably be in the same group in a few years.
8.Harrington on Hold 'em Expert Strategy for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. 2: Endgame by Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie
See above
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Kill Everyone: Advanced Strategies for No-Limit Hold 'Em Poker, Tournaments, and Sit-n-Gos: Revised and Expanded Edition (Gambling Theories Methods) by Lee Nelson, Tysen Streib and Steven Heston (Jun 30, 2009)
See above
10.Winning Poker Tournaments One Hand at a Time Volume II by Eric 'Rizen' Lynch, Jon 'PearlJammer' Turner and Jon 'Apestyles' Van Fleet (Feb 20, 2010)
See above
11.Harrington on Hold 'em: Expert Strategies for No Limit Tournaments, Vol. III--The Workbook by Dan Harrington and Bill Robertie (May 30, 2006)
People seem to like workbooks. They help apply what you have learned. If the workbook teaches you to play and think like a nit, you will learn to play and think like a nit. That isnt always a good thing.
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The Poker Tournament Formula II: Advanced Strategies by Arnold Snyder
See above
13.Every Hand Revealed by Gus Hansen
I like this book a lot, even though I hate quite a few of the lines suggested. It is basically one of the first books that lays out how to play more than just premium hands to do well and gather chips in a large event.
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The Full Tilt Poker Strategy Guide: Tournament Edition by Andy Bloch, Richard Brodie, Chris Ferguson and Ted Forrest (Jun 1, 2007)
This book has a lot of good and bad info, mainly because it is written by a lot of good and bad poker players.
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It is important to be able to think about whatever you read and dont take it as 100% truth that you must follow in order to win. If you cant read something in a poker book and think for yourself "wow this is good" or "wow this is bad", you probably wont make it too far in the game. Good luck.
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