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06-19-2009 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
Im not paying a $100 for this. Ill just have to wait for Harringtons 6 max book.

Hopefully Mason or HArrington will buy Millers book so that they can make sure they make the Harrington book better then the Miller book..
Waiting for Harrington's book while others are taking advantage of SSNLH is -EV imo.
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06-19-2009 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DatDerCelTec
What did you send and where did you send it? Any other details?
I would just think you could take it to Kinkos or something...get it copied for 3c a page, pay extra to bind it if you wish...and away you go.

Well worth the time and effort if you do not like reading it on your computer and would like to be able to travel with it or read it on the couch or bed.
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06-19-2009 , 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by malzfreund
+1 to both.

I mean, $100 for an ebook is outrageous. The marginal cost of producing an ebook is effectively zero. Furthermore, Miller et al sell this direct-to-consumer. Remember that book retailers charge quite significant markups over wholesale prices. So this $100 should perhaps more adequately be compared to the price of a 2+2 book in the 2+2 bookstore, not the price of a 2+2 book at your local bookstore.
This is correct. Our $30 books are sold for $21 in our store, and B-stock versions are sold for even less. So this book is approximately five times more than what we would have sold it for.

Also, we hope to have our first ebook up as early (but don't hold me to it) as the middle of next week. Once we feel this is working well and all the bugs are out, we'll begin the process of adding about 15 more, and this will include the four new books we have scheduled for publication between now and the end of the year.

And one final point, I believe if the ebook is terrific, and the authors would have gone through standard mass distribution like we offer, and especially with us since our royalty rates are far higher than industry standard, they would make far more in the long run than they will this high priced ebook route. Pigeon holing yourself with an extremely high price that reduces sales in a limited distribution format is (in my opinion) not the way to go, and the ebook authors should discover this as competitive books for reasonable prices come on the market and their legs disappear.

Best wishes,
Mason
Best wishes,
Mason
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06-19-2009 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by quadaces9999
Im not paying a $100 for this. Ill just have to wait for Harringtons 6 max book.

Hopefully Mason or HArrington will buy Millers book so that they can make sure they make the Harrington book better then the Miller book..
Then you are missing out. It's that simple. I really doubt Harrington's new book will be as good as this. You can tell that in writing this book, the authors have spent a great deal of time actually playing 6 max online. That's the difference. When Action Dan talks about stuff like open limping "50% of the time" with certain hands (just as an example) I really get the feeling that this is someone that does not play a great deal of shorthanded online poker.

Just my 2 cents worth anyway.
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06-19-2009 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Adman
Then you are missing out. It's that simple. I really doubt Harrington's new book will be as good as this. You can tell that in writing this book, the authors have spent a great deal of time actually playing 6 max online. That's the difference. When Action Dan talks about stuff like open limping "50% of the time" with certain hands (just as an example) I really get the feeling that this is someone that does not play a great deal of shorthanded online poker.

Just my 2 cents worth anyway.
Where does he talk about that? You didn't see it in his 6-max book obviously, so it must have been in his other books, meant primarily for full ring games. Why would he talke about 6-max strategies in those?
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06-19-2009 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by nek777
I'm going to disagree with this ... while the book definitely focuses on 6-max 1/2, they do go over playing against different player archetypes, for example, the authors discuss the value (or lack thereof) of blind stealing against calling stations.
I take it you have the book? As I said before, there's no such thing as blind stealiing in live 1/2 so why would I care to see that compared to anything? I'm not ever going to play 6-max - how useful will the book be to me?
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06-19-2009 , 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
This is my first large e-book. I am not liking the e-format for a book this size. I need to be able to make notes in margins and to read anywhere I go. Having it on a computer is restrictive. Printing out a book this size on my personal printer is also not appealing. You can get a nicely bound book for 1/2 the price. I also find the password "security" to be silly and annoying. I shouldn't have to take extra steps everytime I want to read a book I paid for. It doesn't even save the password on your computer. You have to use it everytime you open the book. It just doesn't make sense to pay for a book and have to jump through any hoops at all to read it. I hope 2+2 uses a different approach to their future e-books. Nothing against the authors.
Every complaint you have about this book's format can easily and simply be remedied. The password protection can be removed (for free), and the file stored on your desktop (or anywhere else that you may prefer) for easy access. For a small investment, the portability issue could be remedied by a local printer, who could bind up a copy for you to keep in your purse.

Give the internets a quick search...
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06-19-2009 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Faybio
Every complaint you have about this book's format can easily and simply be remedied. The password protection can be removed (for free), and the file stored on your desktop (or anywhere else that you may prefer) for easy access. For a small investment, the portability issue could be remedied by a local printer, who could bind up a copy for you to keep in your purse.

Give the internets a quick search...
If you're American: I recommend googling DMCA before breaking the law unintentionally.
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06-19-2009 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
I take it you have the book? As I said before, there's no such thing as blind stealiing in live 1/2 so why would I care to see that compared to anything? I'm not ever going to play 6-max - how useful will the book be to me?
You are correct I bought the book at the preorder price, and while I am relatively new to the game I would say this about the lack of blind stealing in live games - it's not that the strategy doesn't exist or that you couldn't try blind stealing in live 1/2 games, IMO, you don't steal blinds in live 1/2 games because you are always going to be called making the strategy unprofitable. The type of players you encounter in your game setting will alter your approach to the game. This is discussed in the book.

I think if you can extract the information presented, come to understand the strategies and understand the "why" behind the strategy you should be able to extrapolate that information into other games.

As such, this book will be as useful to you as you want it to be - that is, if you put in effort to understand the reasoning behind the strategies, why these strategies work at a 6-max game, you can take the reasoning and apply or modify it when it is appropriate in your live 1/2 game.

Last edited by nek777; 06-19-2009 at 04:57 PM. Reason: some grammar and typos
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06-19-2009 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by malzfreund
+1 to both.

I mean, $100 for an ebook is outrageous. The marginal cost of producing an ebook is effectively zero. Furthermore, Miller et al sell this direct-to-consumer. Remember that book retailers charge quite significant markups over wholesale prices. So this $100 should perhaps more adequately be compared to the price of a 2+2 book in the 2+2 bookstore, not the price of a 2+2 book at your local bookstore.
Then don't buy it it's that simple
don't whine it is pathetic

Anyway can you go into a bookstore to change in your outdated copy of any 2+2 book for an updated Version 2?
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06-19-2009 , 05:20 PM
Ugh. I wish I'd known it was $40, I'd have definitely bought it then. $100 is too big of a chunk of my roll, though. How is it compared to Fee's guide? Would it be worth it for someone just moving up to NL25 6max?
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06-19-2009 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DatDerCelTec
What did you send and where did you send it? Any other details?
http://www.thebookdr.com/binding.html

http://www.book1one.com/

my two final choices. i picked of of them, but both offered similar services.

it will cost $50 to $100 to make a hardcover book in either cloth or leather. printing on good acid free paper adds to the cost.
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06-19-2009 , 06:13 PM
Folks,
I am an inch away of closing this thread. It is deteriorating into another e-book pricing debate. Please stay on topic of discussing the book and its contents and off any discussion of defeating the Password/DRM.

If you really want to discuss the pricing and value of the e-books please do it in a separate thread.
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06-19-2009 , 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by brocksavage1
Just starting with Ed et. al's book. It looks very good, but LOL @ calling BW's book a pamphlet.
BW's "book" isn't very long, one of the advantages Ed Miller's book has is that it's 300+ pages and full of examples and details to illustrate his points. You really can't under sell how well Ed presents the material, he does a better job of it than any one else I've read.
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06-19-2009 , 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by breathweapon
BW's "book" isn't very long, one of the advantages Ed Miller's book has is that it's 300+ pages and full of examples and details to illustrate his points. You really can't under sell how well Ed presents the material, he does a better job of it than any one else I've read.
I've already said that Ed's book looks really good. What I find funny is how people judge books by length. Baluga's book is packed with tons of unique information. Granted, the material at Volume 2 is definitely aimed at a higher level player, and I don't think you can just roll out a ton of hand examples to explain the theory because so much depends on table dynamics and table image. Basically it's your job to work with the book in learning how to apply the concepts, which BW explains in extremely clear detail. I think too many people are looking for a one size fits all cookbook for NL hold 'em, but unfortunately NL hold 'em is way too complex of a game to have a book like this.

However, I'm not here to defend BW's book and I can't comment on how Ed's compares until I've read the entire text. That being said, Ed et. al's book looks to be very good.
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06-19-2009 , 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by brocksavage1
I don't think you can just roll out a ton of hand examples to explain the theory because so much depends on table dynamics and table image.
well, almost every example in SSNLH describes the table dynamics as well as how the hero thinks the villains perceive him. The effects of these factors on how to think about your options is covered in great detail, showing how important the thought process behind your lines is.
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06-19-2009 , 11:15 PM
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Originally Posted by malzfreund
I mean, $100 for an ebook is outrageous. The marginal cost of producing an ebook is effectively zero. Furthermore, Miller et al sell this direct-to-consumer.
Until a few days ago it was a $40 book. It could have been a $40 book for you, too.

I don't mind if the authors make an extra cut. They're doing the work of selling the book to the consumer, so why shouldn't they profit from it?
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06-19-2009 , 11:31 PM
Is the book worth it for people who play a lot of 1/2 and 2/5 NL, but don't play on the internet? Their website says it focuses on 6max internet play, but is also recommended for live and full ring play. But if the examples rely on extensive use of poker tracker stats, I wonder how true this is.

Also, does the book cover the topics that the authors of Professional No-Limit said they would cover in Volume II, which was never published?
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06-19-2009 , 11:44 PM
i'll probably also wait until it comes down in price for a number of reasons, and i certainly don't blame the authors for adopting that policy.

have they given any indication on how long they will guarantee the pre-buyers that they won't drop the price? hope that makes sense. i know that ebook omaha guy guaranteed that he wouldn't drop the price for 3 or 6 months or something similar.
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06-20-2009 , 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ac on
Ugh. I wish I'd known it was $40, I'd have definitely bought it then. $100 is too big of a chunk of my roll, though. How is it compared to Fee's guide? Would it be worth it for someone just moving up to NL25 6max?

It is worth it for anyone who is interested in playing shorthanded online poker and winning money.
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06-20-2009 , 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by brocksavage1
I've already said that Ed's book looks really good. What I find funny is how people judge books by length. Baluga's book is packed with tons of unique information. Granted, the material at Volume 2 is definitely aimed at a higher level player, and I don't think you can just roll out a ton of hand examples to explain the theory because so much depends on table dynamics and table image. Basically it's your job to work with the book in learning how to apply the concepts, which BW explains in extremely clear detail. I think too many people are looking for a one size fits all cookbook for NL hold 'em, but unfortunately NL hold 'em is way too complex of a game to have a book like this.

However, I'm not here to defend BW's book and I can't comment on how Ed's compares until I've read the entire text. That being said, Ed et. al's book looks to be very good.
It's not a question of length, it's a question of the author taking the time to present his material and his thought process in a clear and cohesive manner. A book could be a 100 page POS or a 500 page POS, but most of the material in Ed's book isn't "fluff," so in this instance the number of pages "dropping knowledge bombs" does matter. I'm not knocking BW or his book, but Ed's "show don't tell" approach to teaching NLH is just really satisfying to read, and it's what makes this big really appealing for beginners and intermeddiates.

It doesn't have to be a cook book, but it does have to take the time to model theory for the reader as best it can.
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06-20-2009 , 01:27 AM
This book has some tremendous content. I've read through page 245, and the final chapter on bankrolls (leaving the advanced stuff at the end for the 2nd read through). I think this book ties alot of loose ends together, ie how do hand reading/SPR/villain tendencies/equities all tie in and work together...the examples and analysis are really great and finally explain more nebulous concepts that other books never even get close to discussing in depth (ie why am I checking the Turn in position on a KQ54 2Tone w/ TP vs a 24/21 reg?). I think the chapter on Villain profiling through stats and what to expect from these types of villains...really made me realize the mistake of playing a robotic strategy across many tables at once w/o really noticing the stats and what exact impact they have on your value/bluff lines, etc. Too much stuff to really talk about...definitely enhanced my clarity of the game and am starting my 2nd read through.
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06-20-2009 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ErikTheDread
I've skimmed the whole thing and so far read about a fifth of it nice and slowly. FWIW, the more I read, the more I'm impressed. I think this book is an example of why the phrase instant classic is sometimes accurate.

As I mentioned when this book was announced it would be a must have.
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06-20-2009 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by twoplustwostore
For those asking about bypassing the password entry (and getting your post deleted) I found a nice inexpensive program for doing repetitive PC tasks, like entering passwords and much more complicated functions. I have been using it years. You can find it at www.macroexpress.com. You can try it before buying it.
A better option is AutoHotKey, which is free. Here is an AHK script to enter the password for you.

For Software Forum noobs...
1. Install AutoHotKey by downloading the AutoHotKey Installer at http://www.autohotkey.com/download/
2. Copy and paste the code below in to Notepad
3. Put your SSNLHE password in line #1 (replaces your-password)
4. Save As SSNLHE.ahk in the same folder as your SSNLHE pdf file
5. Double click the .ahk file
Code:
SSNLHEPassword = your-password ;Replace your-password with your SSNLHE password
Run, SSNLHE_1_0.pdf
WinWaitActive, Adobe,, 2
Sleep 1000
WinWaitActive, Password,, 2
ControlSetText, RICHEDIT50W1, %SSNLHEPassword%, Password
ControlClick, Button1, Password
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06-20-2009 , 04:21 PM
For those that have reported, I dont believe there is a problem with the above post. Like mine, It is instructions to auto load/enter your own password. This does not defeat DRM.
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